View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is that not property taxes and the purchase of the property?
    Property taxes tax not just land but the house and other improvements. Land value tax charges for the value of the land minus your improvements.


    Are you a socialist?
    Depends on the meaning of socialist. But if we are talking about the modern usage then I would say no. I believe in a decentralized government where the people have more influence on the policies that govern them.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    If you improve/maintain land you would be homesteading it. An idea that I am not opposed to, as I've said several times.
    Nope. Land has been homesteaded and possessed. It has never been owned. Ownership presupposes creation and the right to destroy. Land "ownership" entails neither.
    I'm not sure I understand why land is an exception to the rule. If I can improve a product and own it then there is no reason to deny me land in which I improve. Why does my facilities not reward me ownership in both instances? I know you believe all land is owned by everyone, but you seem to be mixing up philosophies to come up with a middle ground that leaves land out of the equation for no explainable reason.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I believe ...
    Yes we know. It disagrees with reality and is irrational.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Seldom used"??? You new here?
    Pretty new to arguments here outside of global warming. That topic is chilled out right now so I am participating in others.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What a juvenile response.
    It is a perfectly legitimate question in response to your silly responses.


    Much success? iLOL
    No they haven't.
    When implemented even partially it has seen good results.

    Alaska
    Australia
    South Africa
    Delaware
    California
    etc.

    Henry George's Remedy: Examples
    Land value tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Your notions of property is not rational.
    So you have to post something rational to discuss to begin with.
    "You keep what you create." How is that irrational?
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    It is a perfectly legitimate question in response to your silly responses.
    It was your silly response which generated the exchange. You own it.

    Frankly, I think you are just seeking attention.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    When implemented even partially it has seen good results.

    Alaska
    Australia
    South Africa
    Delaware
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    etc.

    Not even.


    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    "You keep what you create." How is that irrational?
    That is not about property. Which was the irrational belief being spoke to.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Do you believe you have a right to breathe the air around you? Do you believe you have a right to life?




    There is no point in self-ownership if we have no right to be on this planet.
    If everyone owns everything, no one owns anything. What is the point of me planting the trees for my orchard if someone can just come up behind me and rip them from the earth?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Wouldn't that be assuming that government created the land?
    Legitimate question.

    The government would have no right to tell the landholders how they to use the land, who they can sell it to, etc. Government only acts as referee on behalf of the community.

    Land should not be considered the exclusive property of any entity, whether its government, corporations, or individuals. Land is a common right we all share and any exclusive access should be treated as a privilege.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
    http://www.wealthandwant.com/

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by fedup View Post
    Karl Marx is highly propagandized. I didn't agree with all of his ideas, but he laid out some very legitimate, intelligent arguments for a system he supposed would end or reduce poverty and human suffering. There were some good ideas, there were some bad ideas, but he is nowhere near the villain that the Right would like to make him out to be.



    I'm aware of how America approaches "property", however I simply disagree with it. I don't think land can be legitimately owned in the sense that you can own an apple or a computer. I am not against possession or homesteading of land. People would still own houses, farm/maintain land, and enjoy a little piece of the world. However claiming that land is "property" has some very disastrous environmental and social consequences. It's important that we understand and recognize that the Earth is owned by everyone.
    Marx intended marxist revolution to end poverty in the working class. How'd that work out?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    The government would have no right to tell the landholders how they to use the land, who they can sell it to, etc. Government only acts as referee on behalf of the community.
    I'm not sure that government can be considered a valid referee in this regard.

    Land should not be considered the exclusive property of any entity, whether its government, corporations, or individuals. Land is a common right we all share and any exclusive access should be treated as a privilege.
    We definitely agree on this.

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