View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I can. Let's start with "tyranny."
    cruel and oppressive government or rule.
    Seldom used, but probably true that it is used incorrectly. However, the left agenda can bee seen as oppressive to some. Loggers in Oregon have been oppressed by the The media and liberals are cruel by words of people on the right.

    Have a specific example?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Sounds great, but many people do this and still require government assistance.
    Maybe they shouldn't have babies if they can't afford to feed them.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Seldom used, but probably true that it is used incorrectly. However, the left agenda can bee seen as oppressive to some. Loggers in Oregon have been oppressed by the The media and liberals are cruel by words of people on the right.

    Have a specific example?
    "Seldom used"??? You new here?
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    See Post #194. I can elaborate if it isn't pretty self-explanatory.
    I presume you mean this?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I didn't check the definition at the source, but if that is how Wiki defines it, Wiki has little or no understanding of what progressivism in the modern USA is all about. Progressives do favor advancement in all those categories but they see advancement as being furthered by the collective, never the individual, and they see the means by which it is done as being by government and not via private initiative.
    That kinda fits with the "progressivism in the US article.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I presume you mean this?



    That kinda fits with the "progressivism in the US article.
    Well, I don't know about the US article, but progressivism puts all the emphasis on the collective and gives all the control and responsibility to the government which must be controlled by progressives. Any who oppose such a government are usually considered wrong, evil, bad, selfish, or other uncomplimentary characterizations. To the progressive, it is the government's responsibility to order society in the progressive mold and address the major problems of humankind including poverty and only the most heartless among us would object to government programs, however ineffective or destructive, that are presented as efforts to fix what is wrong with society. We are not to question results or consequences--a noble sounding title on the program is considered adequate to support it, and good intentions are all important while the end result is immaterial. If the program is not delivering as advertised, then it is underfunded and needs to be made bigger and more powerful.

    Or evil, selfish, hateful, greedy conservatives prevented it from being effective.

    Individual property, initiative, liberty, options, choices, opportunity, and possibilities are set aside or squashed all in the interest of the 'common good' as government decrees it to be.

    The progressive dismisses all arguments by non-progressives to end poverty. If government does not address poverty and fix it, in the progressive's mind it won't happen.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 08-16-14 at 09:56 PM.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Seldom used"??? You new here?
    He's correct.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well, I don't know about the US article, but progressivism puts all the emphasis on the collective and gives all the control and responsibility to the government which must be controlled by progressives. Any who oppose such a government are usually considered wrong, evil, bad, selfish, or other uncomplimentary characterizations. To the progressive, it is the government's responsibility to address the major problems of humankind including poverty and only the most heartless among us would object to government programs, however ineffective or destructive, that are presented as efforts to fix what is wrong with society. We are not to question results or consequences--a noble sounding title on the program is considered adequate to support it, and good intentions are all important while the end result is immaterial. If the program is not delivering as advertised, then it is underfunded and needs to be made bigger and more powerful.

    Individual initiative, liberty, options, choices, opportunity, and possibilities are set aside or squashed all in the interest of the 'common good' as government decrees it to be.

    The progressive dismisses all arguments by non-progressives to end poverty. If government does not address poverty and fix it, in the progressive's mind it won't happen.
    You nailed it. I'd be interested in Kobies response.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Absurd ideas that wont happen. Thank god.
    Go away, troll.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Go away, troll.
    Taking the mirror down will help.
    Regardless of your absurd comments, the ideas are still absurd and will never be implemented because they are.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Are you a supporter of private property, including land?
    I support the private possession of land. But I do not view it as property in the sense that capital is property. Capital is created. Land is not. We are all born with a right to access what nature has provided. It only makes sense that I pay a fee if I am to hold it in exclusion.
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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