View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i suggest you read the supreme court decision Steward Machine company v. Davis, and pay attention to the opinion delivered by justice Benjamin Cardozo.

    Steward Mach. Co. v. Collector :: 301 U.S. 548 (1937) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
    And ?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And ?
    according to justice cardozo:

    During the years 1929 to 1936, when the country was passing through a cyclical depression, the number of the unemployed mounted to unprecedented heights. Often the average was more than 10 million; at times a peak was attained of 16 million or more. Disaster to the breadwinner meant disaster to dependents. Accordingly, the roll of the unemployed, itself formidable enough, was only a partial roll of the destitute or needy. The fact developed quickly that the states were unable to give the requisite relief. The problem had become national in area and dimensions. There was need of help from the nation if the people were not to starve. It is too late today for the argument to be heard with tolerance that, in a crisis so extreme, the use of the moneys of the nation to relieve the unemployed and their dependents is a use for any purpose narrower than the promotion of the general welfare.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    according to justice cardozo:
    And? Make your case instead of being interrogated.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Start by looking at how poverty is defined by those using poverty levels. Last I looked, it was those below a specific index line, I believe it was those below 33% of the notions average income.

    Now I may be wrong, and I suspect someone now will do the legwork to see how poverty is being defined. For the US, it's a joke. We have the richest poor in the world.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I didn't check the definition at the source, but if that is how Wiki defines it, Wiki has little or no understanding of what progressivism in the modern USA is all about. Progressives do favor advancement in all those categories but they see advancement as being furthered by the collective, never the individual, and they see the means by which it is done as being by government and not via private initiative.

    But if we go to the poll results thus far, I am much encouraged that so many understand that government cannot eliminate poverty, but that has to be done by individual initiative within a system that offers the greatest number of individual options, choices, opportunities, and possibilities and that also provides incentive and encouragement to escape poverty. A great nation does not pride itself on how many people it can make dependent on government and should consider a large number of people on government assistance as its greatest shame and failure. A great nation measures its success on the success of its people each looking to his/her own interests and thereby benefitting the whole.
    There is another wiki article specifically about progressivism in the US:

    Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Progressivism in the United States is a broadly based reform movement that reached its height early in the 20th century and is generally considered to be middle class and reformist in nature. It arose as a response to the vast changes brought by modernization, such as the growth of large corporations and railroads, and fears of corruption in American politics. In the 21st century, progressives continue to embrace concepts such as environmentalism and social justice.[1] Social progressivism, the view that governmental practices ought to be adjusted as society evolves, forms the ideological basis for many American progressives.
    One of the problems I see these days, especially in politics, is that someone will either intentionally or mistakenly misuse a word.

    It may be that what we call progressives are not actually progressive, and similar issues.

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    Edit: ****, I'm stuck in a wiki-chain...

    So from the progressivism in the US article, I checked out the following article...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice
    Social justice is the ability people have to realize their potential in the society where they live.[1] Classically, "justice" (especially corrective justice or distributive justice) referred to ensuring that individuals both fulfilled their societal roles,[2] and received what was due from society. "Social justice" is generally used to refer to a set of institutions which will enable people to lead a fulfilling life and be active contributors to their community.[3] The goal of social justice is generally the same as human development. The relevant institutions can include education, health care, social security, labour rights, as well as a broader system of public services, progressive taxation and regulation of markets, to ensure fair distribution of wealth, equality of opportunity, and no gross inequality of outcome.
    I have to say that if progressivism in the US is trying to ensure equality of outcome, I disagree with them on that point.
    Last edited by The Mark; 08-16-14 at 09:20 PM.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    It cannot be eliminated.

    There will (I assume) always be people who choose to live a life of freedom that would technically fall below the official international levels of 'poverty'.

    As I see it, poverty is not the problem...not having enough shelter, food, clothing, basic medical/dental care/education/safety is the problem.

    If one has easy access to all those things...then one has little to complain about in terms of 'poverty', IMO.


    My solution to obtain the above?

    Free enterprise, government shelters (instead of elaborate welfare systems) and 'universal' healthcare (full for children/disabled and emergency for everyone else).
    Last edited by DA60; 08-16-14 at 09:31 PM.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    There is another wiki article specifically about progressivism in the US:

    Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    One of the problems I see these days, especially in politics, is that someone will either intentionally or mistakenly misuse a word.

    It may be that what we call progressives are not actually progressive, and similar issues.

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    Edit: ****, I'm stuck in a wiki-chain...

    So from the progressivism in the US article, I checked out the following article...

    Social justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    I have to say that if progressivism in the US is trying to ensure equality of outcome, I disagree with them on that point.
    The left makes a habit of misusing words.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The left makes a habit of misusing words.
    Ah yes, another lame post where someone claims "the left" does something, with the clear implication that "the right" does not.

    "The right" misuses words all the time. It's a pretty common trait among most humans.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    There is another wiki article specifically about progressivism in the US:

    Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    One of the problems I see these days, especially in politics, is that someone will either intentionally or mistakenly misuse a word.

    It may be that what we call progressives are not actually progressive, and similar issues.

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    Edit: ****, I'm stuck in a wiki-chain...

    So from the progressivism in the US article, I checked out the following article...

    Social justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    I have to say that if progressivism in the US is trying to ensure equality of outcome, I disagree with them on that point.
    I'll stick with my definition of progressivism because I believe it is 100% accurate.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The left makes a habit of misusing words.
    Nothing is exclusive to one particular group.

    Why do people keep saying these things?

    The stupid, it makes me want to punch something sometimes.


    Edit: that's not necessarily directed at you, understand - I just so often see "the liberals are bad because X", or "the (insert derogatory name for group or person you disagree with) is bad because Y".
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