View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    From the sounds of it, you blame "progressives" when you lose a sock in the dryer.

    "Progressive" is not a synonym for "things Ocean doesn't like."
    What do two people who live in California know? Tell us, from utica.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Gee Kobie, I have never written it was. Progressives have trouble with context.
    Context is always the first victim of progressivism.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well golly, this is at least the third time today I've seen you prattle on about "progressives," and you've given absolutely zero context to your own comments outside of a couple of mild platitudes regarding them on the Purge thread.

    BTW, I'm no progressive, and unlike (apparently) you, I actually know what the word means.
    Progressive's are so often wrong, 3 times a day hardly does them justice. I thought the left loved "justice"-by however they describe it that day.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Here's how I view progressives/progressiveism:

    Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    To me, this means that progressives, as wikipedia states, think advances in various areas will improve things.

    However, I suspect that some progressives do not realize "advances" does not necessarily mean "good". After all, the nuclear bomb was an advancement.

    Every advancement has it's negative side, so while progress can and does improve things, we must always be wary of what problems it may cause now or in the future.
    I didn't check the definition at the source, but if that is how Wiki defines it, Wiki has little or no understanding of what progressivism in the modern USA is all about. Progressives do favor advancement in all those categories but they see advancement as being furthered by the collective, never the individual, and they see the means by which it is done as being by government and not via private initiative.

    But if we go to the poll results thus far, I am much encouraged that so many understand that government cannot eliminate poverty, but that has to be done by individual initiative within a system that offers the greatest number of individual options, choices, opportunities, and possibilities and that also provides incentive and encouragement to escape poverty. A great nation does not pride itself on how many people it can make dependent on government and should consider a large number of people on government assistance as its greatest shame and failure. A great nation measures its success on the success of its people each looking to his/her own interests and thereby benefitting the whole.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    some ideas :

    accept that teenagers are genetically programmed to screw, and do not have fully developed myelin sheaths in their prefrontal cortexes; a situation which often leads to less than stellar decision making. put them on birth control early, and possibly by default until they're ready for kiddos.

    ensure that anyone anywhere has access to higher education without having to sign up for horrendous debt.

    humanitarian missions in the third world, and spread the good parts of our culture. it's fun to be an American. it's fun enough that the communists in Russia got jealous and said "**** this ****." i've often thought that the best thing we could do for NK is to launch some internet satellites and then drop a bunch of smartphones.

    train and hire people to do what needs to be done. there is a ****load of **** that needs to be done, and is not really being done because it's not profitable. do it anyway. those people will buy fun stuff with the extra money. we need people to buy fun stuff, as we are a consumer spending driven economy.

    ship food and education to developing parts of the world. it might not make money immediately. it will, however, prevent a whole bunch of other bull**** which costs money, like wars, epidemics, and warlord nonsense.

    and if the suggestions above are not enough, social safety nets.
    When you allow people to make and keep more money, opportunities like education open up. Since capitalism provides the best means to earn this money (see winning poll choices) its therefore superior in this way.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Context is always the first victim of progressivism.
    Close behind is result.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When you allow people to make and keep more money, opportunities like education open up. Since capitalism provides the best means to earn this money (see winning poll choices) its therefore superior in this way.
    i have no problem with capitalism as part of the solution. i do not agree that capitalism will solve every problem by itself, however. we need both private and public sectors.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Close behind is result.
    Perhaps one day will progress beyond politics.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i have no problem with capitalism as part of the solution. i do not agree that capitalism will solve every problem by itself, however. we need both private and public sectors.
    Not part-it is THE solution. Sprinkling in some marxist fail does not help.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Not part-it is THE solution. Sprinkling in some marxist fail does not help.
    i suggest you read the supreme court decision Steward Machine company v. Davis, and pay attention to the opinion delivered by justice Benjamin Cardozo.

    Steward Mach. Co. v. Collector :: 301 U.S. 548 (1937) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
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