View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    *snip*
    I'm not sure I entirely agree, but interesting post.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... or possibly from observation.

    Star athletes aren't the only people who go to seed once they taste the big victory, it happens in other professions and to entire civilizations.

    Take the United States for example. We reached the height of our power from 1945 through the 1960s before suffering a sharp 70s decline to the Vietnam War and the Oil Embargo. Then we made it back in the 80s by achieving victory over the Soviet Union before losing it in the Iraq War.

    In the case of feudalism: the system developed to stop the -90% population drop from the decline of the Roman Empire. For a thousand years, they managed to keep the population about even before finally eeking out enough of a surplus that they had more humans than they needed farmers. The result was an increasing level of innovation that led to the formation of the first towns and trade guilds. That was the genesis of modern capitalism. It started as a bubble within feudalism, nurtered by feudalism's success, and then exploded outward to destroy feudalism.

    It wasn't feudalism's failure that destroyed feudalism. Feudalism succeeded at its goal: reverse the population decline. Once that occurred, its relevance as an economic system faded away. Similarly, once the United States succeeded in destroying the Soviet Union, the other countries no longer needed us and stopped respecting our power. That's why we received minimal aid during the Iraq War.

    In much the same way, the purpose of capitalism is to make it possible for individuals to acquire great wealth. Through corporations, it creates individuals who have so much money they can buy their way out of accountability, the way the banks did in the 2008 recession, or the way Donald Trump does all the time. However, capitalism depends on accountability. Once accountability is gone, you've replaced it with corporatism.

    Real capitalism in the United States has been dying since the end of the Second World War, but historians will look back on 2008 as the final death.
    As stated the reason we were so successful in that era is because we were able to sell to rebuild the world after the war. The left sites this period with the intent of painting the era of unions, etc as the baseline, and cause of this success-but it wasn't. In fact, it was because we were doing so well that unions were tolerated.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Work hard, be responsible and use your money wisely. No government is going to eliminate poverty by offering handouts. It's up to the individual.
    That is an incredibly nave statement.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is an incredibly nave statement.
    How so?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    How so?
    I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

    Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    How so?
    I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

    Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

    Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.
    Aren't we around the same age?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is an incredibly nave statement.
    Actually its just reality. Lefties don't like it.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Aren't we around the same age?
    I would be surprised. Your post speaks of youthful optimism.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I used to think the same way when I was young. The reality is, when you get a little older and mature you will see that there are large masses of people in the United States that are never going to be successful no matter how long and hard they work. The reality is that the concept of hard work and payoffs work for a small segment of middle class America. The vast majority of people in power and with the wealth don't have to work long or hard at all....and a large part of our society will never have access to being successful simple because of the lack of opportunities and resources that they have available to them.

    Its a nice concept. something that we all would like to believe in...and I admire your youthful optimism...but the reality is starkly different.
    Apparently defeatism and resignation trumps hard work with you. Its a shame.

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