View Poll Results: What of the following does the best for eliminating poverty in the world?

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  • Private property.

    55 5.48%
  • Unions.

    315 31.41%
  • Personal liberty.

    69 6.88%
  • Entitlements.

    403 40.18%
  • Taxation

    463 46.16%
  • Freedom from coercion/association.

    52 5.18%
  • Government programs/policies.

    410 40.88%
  • The free market.

    79 7.88%
  • Class struggle.

    14 1.40%
  • Working for oneself.

    59 5.88%
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Thread: How is poverty best eliminated?

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If there was any testament to US exceptionalism, this would have to be it. So why is it that so many want to the US to become EU Jr.?
    Because they think everything should be handed to them without effort to earn it and that they deserve the same salary and benefits as people who actually educate themselves and work for it.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I guess you could equate poverty by the unemployment number. Notice all three of these SOCIALIZED countries are broke besides. Not only are they broke they have high unemployment = poverty. Poverty is the opposite of prosperity and there sure is no prosperity in these three socialist countries.

    Greece = 27%
    France = 10.4%
    Spain = 25.1%
    Those dont count for some reason.

    BTW, my father is Greek and I love the people but they are lazy as hell.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoetherat View Post
    Eliminating poverty's impossible. All the options can have both good and bad consequences depending on how and to what degree they're applied.
    Thats true with most things in life. Water is both a life sustaining nutrient and a toxin depending on how much you drink. But these options are not equivocal.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Education.
    No doubt, however the purpose of this poll was to isolate variables along the capitalist/free market side and the marxist/planned economy side.

    The ones with all the votes are capitalist/free market.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And for those who choose not to learn?
    They can vote democrat.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They then deserve the consequences of those actions. Hopefully they change their choice at some point.
    They'd either change or die and the problem would be solved either way. Unfortunately, we live in a society where stupid decisions are not punished, where liberals don't want anyone to suffer as a result of their bad decisions. If stupidity were painful, there wouldn't be so many stupid people. This is where 40 years of liberal politics has led us.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They can vote democrat.
    And they do, the Democrats buy their votes with endless social programs designed to keep anyone from ever having to get off their fat, lazy asses. It's not solving the problem though, just making it worse.
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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Well first, show where I said "first-world socialized democracies".

    Second,
    Attachment 67171407

    Sadly, data prior to 1959 is lacking and would take some determined digging to find. Poverty rates prior to the "New Deal" are of course going to be high considering the affects of the depression and the dust bowl.

    List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Feel free to look up the socio-economic structure of the ones you want to. Of course, you probably won't like the fact that data is based upon income vs cost of living, something that the US does not do, as reported by those local governments.

    Take a look at standards of living. Quality of Life Index by Country 2014 Mid Year
    Look at all those socialist countries and closed market countries at the bottom.

    Now take a look at cost of living Cost of Living Index by Country 2014 Mid Year
    Wow, look at all those "first-world socialized democracies" at the top.

    The US, the least socialized of those nations is second highest in standard of living but way down the list of cost of living and near the bottom of people living in abject poverty (other than homeless people, we don't actually have a population living in abject poverty.)
    And, we have a near constant influx of poor immigrants (the largest in the world, over 1 million legal a year). In other words, checkmate.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, California's SO bad off, their economy's REALLY melting down...which is why Moody's and Standard-and-Poor's BOTH raised CA's credit rating, huh? As compared to oh-so-red Kansas which just got downgraded. But yeah, I guess California's really got those credit rating agencies bamboozled, huh? And the three state budget surpluses in a row - those are all lies, too.

    And on top of all that, you're still ignoring the point I brought up that the nations with the best standard of living in the world are ALL first-world socialized democracies, whereas the nations with small governments, low effective taxes, and weak regulations are ALL third-world nations. You simply can't get around that fact.
    California is a nightmare living on its legacy. One only need to live here a short time to see the nightmare that is unopposed liberalism.

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    Re: How is poverty best eliminated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    Moody's raised it from A1 to Aa3. Awesome. Oh, and every budget passed by the legislature is balanced, it's the law. What Brown and his progressive cronies who control the legislature didn't do again this year is pay back the billions they owe state funds they borrowed from in previous years.

    If everything is so peachy, why did Brown call for more taxes when he rolled out his last budget?

    The fact is, you really don't want to go down the California debate road GC, I am exceedingly well informed on the subject. It's just not worth my time to engage in such a pointless endeavor.

    As to your socialist stuff regarding other countries. I don't care a bit. You've been posting that stuff for the longest time, and no matter what evidence is posted that takes the shine off, you throw it aside and start over again.

    I'm glad you like all those socialist countries. I don't, and I'll fight people like you who want to bring it here until I'm dead. That's how it goes my friend.
    I participate in a political research group, they pay me (Im the "conservative") to give my opinions on different ideas they are thinking about floating to the public. Brown is desperate, and trying to find new ways to bleed the public in order to pay for his liberal fruitopia. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad how many people clap like seals at silly ideas.

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