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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% correct because gay rights is the sub issue, its a rights issue first and foremost, its a EQUAL rights issue to be exact.

    again loving vs Virginia was note solely regarding black rights was it? nope because it didnt have to it was about RIGHTS . . . EQUAL RIGHTS

    glad i could clear up you confusion for you
    I was specifically asking about GAY marriage. Are you for bigamy/polygamy as well? If not, why?

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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I specified gay marriage.
    meanignless just like specifying "interracial marriage", "inter-religious marriage"

    rights makes them one in the same . . marriage
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    1.)I was specifically asking about GAY marriage.
    2.)Are you for bigamy/polygamy as well? If not, why?
    1.) again
    meanignless just like specifying "interracial marriage", "inter-religious marriage" etc etc
    rights makes them one in the same . . marriage

    seems you are very confused about this issue

    2.) youll have to be more specific
    if polygamist/bigamist want to fight for a new right I have no problems with that as long as it fits the already established rules of a legal contract. Consensual adults.

    but there is nothing about SSM that solely lends itself to those two.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think they will punt for a while longer until more and more cases start making their way up. Eventually they are going to have to take it up. I'd like for it to be sooner, but I don't see it happening.
    What about before Obama leaves office, maybe he pushes it?

    Or would that be seen as harming the party in general in the upcoming election?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When did gay marriage become a right? Dates, please.
    Not a right, but anti-discrimination laws apply to lots of things, like jobs, too.

    Altho some people say there is an implied right in the 14th Amendment that SCOTUS has ruled on, that marriage is.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You are correct in your inference. Well said.
    It can, and has been, interpreted as a gender discrimination issue and gender discrimination is federal.

    (gender discrimination in the ability to enter a contract)
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When did gay marriage become a right? Dates, please.
    Equal Protection of the laws is a right. Marriage is a right, whether it is for same sex couples or opposite sex couples. There is no real legal institution of "gay marriage". There is only marriage and it is being restricted on the basis of sex/gender, which violates the EPC of the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    These cases are not all solely regarding gay rights, but rather define the constraints that can not be imposed on marriage, correct?
    They are regarding marriage. There is no such legal thing as "gay marriage". What is being fought for is access to marriage by same sex couples, just as it wasn't "interracial marriage" that was being fought for in the 1960s, but rather simply access to legal marriage by interracial couples.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I specified gay marriage.
    You said this.

    These cases...define the constraints that can not be imposed on marriage...?
    You did not say "gay" marriage here. If you said it somewhere else I apologize, but I am just responding to what I saw written. Regardless, my answer still stands. Many of the cases do not involve imposing limits on marriage at all, such as Lawrence v. Texas. These are 14 cases were the court affirmed that marriage was a fundamental human right, even if marriage was not at issue in the case.

    Are you trying to say that none of those cases say that same-sex marriage bans are unconstitutional? Because nobody is disputing that.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It can, and has been, interpreted as a gender discrimination issue and gender discrimination is federal.

    (gender discrimination in the ability to enter a contract)
    What makes these cases so interesting is that there are many different standards of review these cases can fall under. Because marriage is a fundamental right, these cases should automatically be judged under strict scrutiny. If for some reason the court denies that, there is still the argument to be made that sexual-orientation is a suspect class that too could be judged under strict scrutiny. Even if that is rejected, the argument of gender discrimination puts this case into intermediate scrutiny territory. And if all that is rejected, the court would then judge based on the lowest standard of rational basis.

    The kicker is that courts have ruled not only that same-sex marriage bans violate strict scrutiny, but that even if they were to judge the bans under rational basis they would still fail.
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