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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    As I understand it marriage has always been a state issue (with the exception of certain federal domains like the military) so hopefully its not SCOTUS that will determine this.

    I am for gay marriage. I am not for the tactics of the left to achieve this...identity politics.
    Loving v VA, Zablocki v Redhail, and Turner v Safley show that it also falls to the federal government to protect the rights of the people against states trying to restrict them for arbitrary reasons, even when it comes to marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Loving v VA, Zablocki v Redhail, and Turner v Safley show that it also falls to the federal government to protect the rights of the people against states trying to restrict them for arbitrary reasons, even when it comes to marriage.
    I dont like top down one-size-fits-all dictates.

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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont like top down one-size-fits-all dictates.
    Too bad. These are meant to protect the individual rights against the majorities of states attempting to restrict their citizens based on nothing more than subjective morally based objections to something. Individual rights should trump state rights.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Too bad. These are meant to protect the individual rights against the majorities of states attempting to restrict their citizens based on nothing more than subjective morally based objections to something. Individual rights should trump state rights.
    When did gay marriage become a right? Dates, please.

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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    1.)As I understand it marriage has always been a state issue (with the exception of certain federal domains like the military) so hopefully its not SCOTUS that will determine this.
    2.)I am for gay marriage.
    3.) I am not for the tactics of the left to achieve this...identity politics.
    1.) then you simply misunderstand, see loving vs Virginia . States have states rights and can control SOME things about marriage but they cant infringe on individual rights. So courts and probably SCOTUS as soon as next year will determine this because the states have overstepped thier powers has the courts have already determined and now its thier job to fix it.
    2.)thats good most people are for equal rights
    3.) good thing that has nothing to do with it and millions on the right also support equal rights.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    3-4 years. I think most of the country will embrace marriage equality by 2016, but I think there will be one or two stubborn states that refuse.

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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont like top down one-size-fits-all dictates.
    you liking or disliking equal rights is irrlevant
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    I'm going to say 9-10 years, only because I know there will be some particularly backwards states, most likely in the south, that will hold off as long as they can. They will lose in the long term but they're not going to go down easily.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you liking or disliking equal rights is irrlevant
    Since culture is upstream from politics I disagree.

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    Re: Same Sex Marriage, how long till its national?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    When did gay marriage become a right? Dates, please.
    14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights
    Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

    Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”

    Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.

    Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”

    Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”

    Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
    Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”


    Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

    Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”

    Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”

    Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”

    Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”

    Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”

    M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

    Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”

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