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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    I agree with the statements in bold. The rest, I understand how you might come to those conclusions, but I don't share them.
    There are two kinds of freedom. The one people talk about most is "external freedom", which basically amounts to having the ability to exercise agency in your own life without being subjected to restrictions from external forces.

    Inner freedom means freedom from compulsion. Temptation from within exerts as much influence over the spirit as force from an external power (government, corporation, etc). Our culture of mass consumerism propagates psychological dependence on objects on a massive scale. From an early age, American culture teaches us you don't just don't want money and fame, you *NEED* money and fame. You need a job, you need a car, you need a house, you need to own your own business.

    People on Wall Street don't want want private jets and yachts, they *NEED* private jets and yachts as surely as the heroin addict needs his next fix. Junkies will sell all of their furniture, financiers will trash the entire banking system; anything for a fix.

    And greed only propagates one species of temptation. There are plenty of others, like dependence on our identity and sense of self. That *NEED* can drive behavior just as strongly as greed and drives much of America's excessive partisanship.
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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Again I find little to take exception to.
    If the word NEED was replaced with LUST. then we'd be much in tune.
    I know folks use need interchangeably with lust. "I need sex!"
    Maybe I'm too much of a stickler for my words to mean exactly what I intend, without room for other interpretation.
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    First world problems.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    First world problems.
    That's why I reserve NEED for necessities of life. food, shelter, water, air, medicine, freedom, health, mobility
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Again I find little to take exception to.
    If the word NEED was replaced with LUST. then we'd be much in tune.
    I know folks use need interchangeably with lust. "I need sex!"
    Maybe I'm too much of a stickler for my words to mean exactly what I intend, without room for other interpretation.
    The word *NEED* is appropriate because making a different choice is outside the realm of probability.

    Most people don't think about it, but most choice-making occurs at a mostly subconscious level. Even important decisions like whether to go through a company merger that stimulate a lot of thought and anxiety are mostly made in an un-free state of mind. Making a free choice requires expansive awareness and considerable knowledge about yourself, the world, and the nature of reality. You could spend your entire life in a monastery doing nothing else but focus on making wilful decisions and only divert a fraction of your mental power to the process.

    In fact, a majority of people surrender their will to the sensation (including computers, the Internet, reddit, youtube, etc) because the senses provide immediate and tangible excitement while making disciplined choices is boring. Having inner freedom is boring, being a slave to your senses is enthralling and great.

    Free will is less an attribute we are born with than a tiny instinct that can be developed into a workable skill with a lot of discipline and practice.
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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Human society is inherently the retardation of freedom. Humans have a strong natural desire to control their environment and generally any others found within that environment.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Our own power as individuals over our own bodies, our thoughts, our minds, our ideas, and our feelings are constantly being threatened every day.

    We are not free to put in our bodies whatever we like. In some cases with threat of life in prison. When someone who is simply in possession of a drug is receiving the same or worse penalty as someone who has committed murder, then we no longer live in a free country.

    The drug war in this country has eroded many of what we use to consider rights or freedoms. All for the purpose of preventing people from altering their minds. Which is another form of control... the opposite of freedom.
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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    I don't disagree. All true.

    However, I dislike encouraging crutches. "Couldn't help myself!"
    If I think of those things I lust for as needs, it's easier to excuse myself for indulging them.
    And mixing up priorities more likely than not.
    Better to be honest with myself.
    If you live long enough, you will live in a foreign country, because the past is foreign to the present. We lived differently then. The only constant is change!

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Relatively speaking? Yes.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
    "When we live authentically we create an opportunity for others to walk out of their dark prisons of pretend into freedom."

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Yes, we do.

    There's some issues to work out though. There always have been, same as any other developed nation.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

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