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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Evidently you haven't lost the right to post hyperbolic blather.
    This made me lol, haha.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    The 10th amendment states, the executive branch and congress only have the powers specifically given to them in the Constitution.
    our rights aren't spelled out because it's not granting our rights. The government power IS spelled out and restricted from exceeding.

    The final part of the 10th says all other powers are reserved. Not given. Reserved. To the states and/or THE PEOPLE.

    When officials exceed there Constitutional powers, they ROB us of rights not named. And it is unconstitutional and illegal for officials to do that.



    However, they do it anyway.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    They're not my "ideas".

    What I stated is the current state of reality. Regulations are reactionary. Bullying becomes a problem, so there's rules created to protect from it. Banks misbehave and regulations are created to limit them. Corporations act irresponsibly and you get all manner of regulations to control and monitor them.

    It even applies to government. If government acts irresponsibly then you get congressional hearings and investigations.

    You really can't deny this. It's evident everywhere, at all levels of government and society. Even in the workplace.'ll

    As to your insinuation that this is something I support, well- you're right and you're wrong. I absolutely despise the growth of the Nanny State. It's anti-freedom and very anti-liberal, despite your apparent ignorance over what liberalism means. I hate that my elementary school now has a fence around it. I hate that my child might be punished for words he might say. I hate to see our children increasingly sheltered as it hurts their eventual entry into adult society.

    But what I hate the most is that the American people have become so irresponsible that such things have become often necessary to maintain social stability. It's that irresponsibility that's lead to the growth of the Nanny State. And worse, we don't learn. If we de-regulate something, people hop right back into the same destructive practices no matter the consequences.

    This is why the government always seems to grow- we keep finding new ways to exploit the system to the detriment of others. And so more and more regulations have to be created to keep our actions in check.

    They say that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Most people take that to mean that they must remain ever-watchful of a government becoming oppressive. But that's not the source of the problem. What we must remain vigilante of is that we use our freedom wisely; that we don't abuse and exploit it to the harm of others. Because that will inevitably lead to freedoms lost. Eventually the people will demand it.
    I actually think you have it backwards. Its the growth of the Nanny state that has made people irresponsible, not the other way around. But I do agree with 99% of your post.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    I actually think you have it backwards. Its the growth of the Nanny state that has made people irresponsible, not the other way around. But I do agree with 99% of your post.
    Do you have an example of a regulation that's preceded the problem it was designed to prevent?

    The one I have the most direct experience with is the Sarbanes–Oxley Act that proceeded the whole Enron thing. Enron and others conducted business practices that resulted in investors losing billions of dollars and shook confidence in the securities market. In reaction the feds passed SOX to be applied to all publicly traded companies.

    The company I worked for from 2003-2013 went public in 2006/2007 and, being the software engineer behind a critical billing application, I was sucked into the world that SOX mandates. It forced a lot of changes to our roles, our auditing practices, review processes, etc. We all hated it. But then the weird thing happened: I began to realize how good the practices were that it mandated.

    Now I'm the VP of Technology with a small start-up and though we may never go public, I help plan the company's direction with those practices in mind.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Evidently you haven't lost the right to post hyperbolic blather.
    Care to explain how my inability to bear arms is mere hyperbole rather than fact? Or do you only have insults to offer?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Care to explain how my inability to bear arms is mere hyperbole rather than fact? Or do you only have insults to offer?
    Your post was whiny hyperbole.

    Move somewhere else.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Care to explain how my inability to bear arms is mere hyperbole rather than fact? Or do you only have insults to offer?
    "Inability to bear arms" lol. You're kidding yourself if you don't acknowledge that the U.S. is one of the most gun friendly first world nations there is.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    There are no such things as free countries.
    If you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    However, they do it anyway.
    If that remark is referenced to "Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    "Evidently you haven't lost the right to post hyperbolic blather. "Quote"

    Then your ignorance is out of the closet. Put it back.
    If instead you are agreeing the government is illegal and by ignoring the 10th amendment has embarked on tyranny as feared by founders, then you are astute.

    Bill of Rights

    "During the debates on the adoption of the Constitution, its opponents repeatedly charged that the Constitution as drafted would open the way to tyranny by the central government. Fresh in their minds was the memory of the British violation of civil rights before and during the Revolution. They demanded a "bill of rights" that would spell out the immunities of individual citizens. Several state conventions in their formal ratification of the Constitution asked for such amendments; others ratified the Constitution with the understanding that the amendments would be offered.

    On September 25, 1789, the First Congress of the United States therefore proposed to the state legislatures 12 amendments to the Constitution that met arguments most frequently advanced against it. The first two proposed amendments, which concerned the number of constituents for each Representative and the compensation of Congressmen, were not ratified. Articles 3 to 12, however, ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures, constitute the first 10 amendments of the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights."

    Bill of Rights Transcript Text

    Article the eleventh(ratified as 9th)... The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
    Article the twelfth (ratified as 10th)... The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
    Last edited by yobarnacle; 08-28-14 at 11:24 AM.
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    Re: Do We Live in a Free Country?

    Reserving something is holding on to what is already yours. It's not asking permission. It's stating clearly "This is MINE. It was mine before we began our business together. It is going to remain mine. You can not have it. You have no claim or right to this, because I own it exclusively. It's reserved to me."
    Last edited by yobarnacle; 08-28-14 at 11:39 AM.
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