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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Yes. Abolish the party system but allow political parties. The system needs to be abolished and replaced with one that allows third parties and independents to have a chance.
    Third parties don't have a chance because they don't appeal to anyone. There isn't enough significantly different between third parties and the major parties to matter, most of them have one unrealistic plank in their platform that will never happen and that make people shake their heads and go elsewhere. I want everyone to have an equal chance to be heard but I don't think that even if that happened, the third parties would have a chance in hell of getting elected.
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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not sure it is something you can actually get rid of.You can ban democrat and republican parties, but they will just still get together and claim to be for similar things.

    I think what needs to happen is to ban party affiliations on ballots, voting booths and polling places with exception to primary elections.Instead of party affiliations it should have a short list of the candidate's stands and if possible a short list of votes that confirm or contradict that is what the candidate stands for.On the voting booth wall there should be a more thorough list of issues and past votes and bills/amendments authored. polling places that have high turnout there should be pamphlets passed out to those waiting in line. This would force those that pay little to no attention to politics to actually vote on the issues instead of the party.
    Far too idealistic (and dare I say, liberal). I will give you this, though. You have the public ambition of some of the Founding Fathers, but absolutely none of their follow-through. They took far more than baby steps in creating the Party system, and for good reason.
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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Third parties don't have a chance because they don't appeal to anyone. There isn't enough significantly different between third parties and the major parties to matter, most of them have one unrealistic plank in their platform that will never happen and that make people shake their heads and go elsewhere. I want everyone to have an equal chance to be heard but I don't think that even if that happened, the third parties would have a chance in hell of getting elected.
    Considering a plurality of Americans are not registered with either major party, clearly there is a demand for third parties. The problem is the parties are so shut out by the system that nobody bothers to vote for them because it wont get them anywhere. If you reformed the system, third parties would get elected. More third parties would form. That is the point.
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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    what needs to be removed is the public disinterest in politics and get more of the people involved in politics.
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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Considering a plurality of Americans are not registered with either major party, clearly there is a demand for third parties. The problem is the parties are so shut out by the system that nobody bothers to vote for them because it wont get them anywhere. If you reformed the system, third parties would get elected. More third parties would form. That is the point.
    If there was, third parties would be getting elected! The reason third parties are shut out, and I agree that they are in some places, is because the American people allow it! Nobody is upset about it! Nobody is standing up and demanding something be done about it! This is always treated as a giant conspiracy theory by third parties, that everyone actually supports the third parties but the Democrats and Republicans are out to get them! They've only got that power because the American people gave it to them and continue to give it to them!
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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Considering a plurality of Americans are not registered with either major party, clearly there is a demand for third parties. The problem is the parties are so shut out by the system that nobody bothers to vote for them because it wont get them anywhere. If you reformed the system, third parties would get elected. More third parties would form. That is the point.
    Look what Prop 14 did for elections in California. In the end, it shut out political parties and opened the door for manipulation of votes in the primaries in order to end up with only the top two vote getters appearing on the ballot in the General Election.

    Democrats effectively shut out the competition and the dialog that multiple parties appearing in the general election can produce.

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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Look what Prop 14 did for elections in California. In the end, it shut out political parties and opened the door for manipulation of votes in the primaries in order to end up with only the top two vote getters appearing on the ballot in the General Election.

    Democrats effectively shut out the competition and the dialog that multiple parties appearing in the general election can produce.
    And there are actually people who spend time thinking up these schemes! Scary! Then they follow up with lawsuits about "disenfranchising" voters by requiring voter ID! Got it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    And there are actually people who spend time thinking up these schemes! Scary! Then they follow up with lawsuits about "disenfranchising" voters by requiring voter ID! Got it!
    I won't go into the political horse trading that occurred to get it on the ballot.

    Think about it. All the Democrats have to do is run two popular candidates for an office. Say US Senator. They work to split the vote in the Primary, and then it's just two Democrats on the ballot in the general election. Viola, a one party system. Unbelievable what Progressivism really looks like until you see it in action year after year.

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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If there was, third parties would be getting elected! The reason third parties are shut out, and I agree that they are in some places, is because the American people allow it! Nobody is upset about it! Nobody is standing up and demanding something be done about it! This is always treated as a giant conspiracy theory by third parties, that everyone actually supports the third parties but the Democrats and Republicans are out to get them! They've only got that power because the American people gave it to them and continue to give it to them!
    The American people give it to them because the system is designed to not give them that choice. Say 20% of people want the Green Party, 35% want Democrats, and 55% want Republicans. Also say that all of the Green Party people would support a Democrat over a Republican. If people who would vote for the Green Party would do so, then they will essentially be ensuring their third choice wins over their second choice. So they settle for something less ideal.

    The American system is biased against third parties being viable options to vote for in the first place.
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    Re: Should The Party System Be Abolished?

    In a time when our Congress is at its lowest approval rating in history, I doubt we should be worried about numerous third parties leading to incompetence. We've already got plenty of it.
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