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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    This is a human catastrophe of massive scale and clearly a matter for the international community. The US should help organize an international solution. He should also be very vocal in pointing at the countries that do not help with meaningful military forces. It cannot continue to be the case that countries like germany, Japan or China stand aside, when policing is required, while the US pays in treasure and bodies and is demonized for its efforts.
    I think you are forgetting that it was the US that upset the balance of power in the region by invading Iraq. The Europeans are not likely to want to help clean up our mess. We need to take out ISIS's heavy equipment ourselves. We were the ones that left it there for them to steal.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama has left Iraq to Iran, and Russia. Masterful both diplomatically and strategically.
    I think you have forgotten which President invaded Iraq and signed an agreement handing it to an Iranian sympathizer which upset the balance of power between the Sunnis and Shia. That seems to be a problem for those on the Right.. selective amnesia.
    And no GWB was not a master of ANYTHING, in fact everything he touched turned to ****.
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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    The poll options are flawed.

    Where are the Centrists? What about those who have no 'bent'?

    You are excluding tons of people.

    Why not just ask 'yes', 'no', 'undecided'?

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think you have forgotten which President invaded Iraq and signed an agreement handing it to an Iranian sympathizer which upset the balance of power between the Sunnis and Shia. That seems to be a problem for those on the Right.. selective amnesia.
    And no GWB was not a master of ANYTHING, in fact everything he touched turned to ****.
    Blaming Bush is no longer credible, or is this the soft bigotry of lowered expectations?

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Definitely not, he is one of the last people I would want in charge of using the American Military.

    Should we do something? Sure, if we could find some leadership that actually knows his head from his ass.

    Hell, Bush screwed up even if was a good idea. I have absolutely no faith in Obama being able to do it right. From what we have seen of him so far, I don't think he even knows how to wipe his own ass correctly.
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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post


    Oh, for goodness sakes...come on now.

    Roughly 10,000 ISIS troops are the greatest threat to mankind since the U.S.S.R. and Nazi Germany?

    So the Khmer Rouge murdering millions of Cambodians was less of a threat?

    So 800,000+ Rwandans hacked to death was less of a threat?

    The Nigerian Civil War. Over 1 million and less of a threat to humanity then roughly 7-10,000 ISIS fighters?

    North Korea could obliterate South Korea with nukes if it wanted to. India and Pakistan could do the same to each other.

    All of these are less of a threat to humanity then roughly 10,000 ISIS troops running around in pickup trucks with a little artillery and ZERO airpower?


    No offense, but your statement is totally ridiculous.


    And as for Obama's moron plan of getting involved again...

    even Reagan knew better then to get involved in the Middle East

    'Lest we forget, after America's first encounter with jihadist violence in 1983 when 241 US military personnel were killed Reagan, to use the disparaging lingo of the neocons, chose to "cut and run". Every single soldier was pulled out of Lebanon within four months. "Perhaps we didn't appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle," Reagan later wrote in his memoir, adding: "The irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position ... those 241 marines would be alive today."'

    Ronald Reagan was no hawk
    You hit the nail on the head. Humanitarian aid, if possible, that's it.
    Look at the atrocities taking place in so many other regions in the world. What is going on that we mingle here but not there? Why Kadafi and not Assad? Why tell Malaki to go and leave baby Il in charge? It boggles the mind.

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    Obama never had a chance to take Iraq back from Iran.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama has left Iraq to Iran...
    Well, Iraq was wrapped so nicely for Iran I am sure it seemed a shame to take away Iran's new friend.
    Obama never had a chance to take Iraq back from Iran.

    Did you know that at the 2004 state of the union address Laura Bush sat next to an Iranian agent who helped talk the the Bush Admin into invading Iraq.
    The same agent who members of the Bush admin wanted to run Iraq.
    The same agent who learned from "senior administration" officials that the US had broken one of Iran's codes.
    That agent subsequently told Iran that we had broken one of there codes.
    When the DIA went to raid the agent's compound, they had to leave the Bush Admin in the dark so that the Bush Admin wouldn't tip off the Iranian agent.

    Then there's the fact that Iran hosted the Iraqi opposition movements for decades.
    Many of the main actors and political parties in post-Saddam Iraqi politics moved back to Iraq from Iran after the invasion.

    Do you suppose that any of these guys forged bonds with their Iranian handlers during the years that Iran housed and funded these modern day leaders of Iraq?

    Obama never had a chance to take Iraq back from Iran.

    Saying, "Obama has left Iraq to Iran," is about like saying, "US Conservative has left Iraq to Iran"
    Neither one of you had a chance to do dick about it.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Hell, Bush screwed up even if was a good idea.
    Those shmoes told us we would be wrapping thing up in Iraq by September 2003.

    So you know those schmucks didn't know wtf they were talking about.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think you are forgetting that it was the US that upset the balance of power in the region by invading Iraq. The Europeans are not likely to want to help clean up our mess. We need to take out ISIS's heavy equipment ourselves. We were the ones that left it there for them to steal.
    I am not forgetting anything. I remember that most of the EU and Europe sided with Bush on the Iraq thing. Also I remember that France, Germany and Putin supported Saddam's belief that Bush would not be able to intervene, thus leading him to think he did not have to make his lacking weaponry public (to Iran and the other mostly hostile powers in the Gulf). And so the dance unfolded.

    But that is history. Now is now. And Iraq boarders the Turkey that is in membership negotiations to the EU, is a member of Nato and a strong ally of Europe. Iran is vying for control, will soon have a nuclear weapon and a delivery system that can reach Munich already. So much for the realpolitik of the issue.

    The human catastrophe is a little different, but similar. The 2005 UN Norm putting in place a Responsibility to Protect populations from destruction is conceived to lay this responsibility first in the Hands of the immediate government on the ground. Thereafter this responsibility is to be assigned to neighborhood entities. That means Arab League, Nato, Iran and Russia. Beyond that the UN would be responsible. Precedence is still being built, as the Norm is relatively new and only partially tested. Already structural weaknesses in the formulations have become blatantly obvious. There is an open question, however. If the Security Council cannot decide on action to save populations from mass murder, ethnic extinctions and other crimes against humanity there is cause to believe that countries must act independently to prevent exterminations.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Those shmoes told us we would be wrapping thing up in Iraq by September 2003.

    So you know those schmucks didn't know wtf they were talking about.
    Rumsfeld thought we could invade and then just leave. Didn't even have a plan for rebuilding or occupying. Even today, we have not built, trained or equipped an occupation force. For some stupid reason, politicians keep thinking combat troops can be cops.
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