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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Understood, but the problem isn't lack of armament or experience-the kurds know how to fight-what they DONT know how to do is stand up against a constant stream of islamists. We need to commit to expelling ISIS, or not go in at all.
    Maliki refused to send any of the arms we promised the Kurds and ISIS has a lot of our weapons instead. That has been the problem.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Understood, but the problem isn't lack of armament or experience-the kurds know how to fight-what they DONT know how to do is stand up against a constant stream of islamists. We need to commit to expelling ISIS, or not go in at all.
    Isis is better armed then the Kurds. And I don't think this is an all or nothing proposition. If we keep the Kurds from being overrun, that's an accomplishment in itself. Plus, it leaves open the prospect that a competent alliance against Isis will form at a later date.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoetherat View Post
    We won last time because the Sunnis switched sides. That won't happen again now that they know the Shiites won't keep their word.
    Perhaps, or perhaps the Sunni's are like those in Syria-often terrified to say anything to isis but wanting the old ways back. Malaki is history-time will tell if thats enough.

    In the mean time lets send Isis to their virgins in style.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Ask the Israelis, the stream NEVER dries up. We must divert it like we did in the awakening before we sold the Sunnis out by picking Maliki to lead. That was the "success" of the surge. It was not our prowess at warfare or the extra troops. Stop kidding yourself, the problem will never be solved with more violence, quite the opposite.
    So then we remain ever vigilant, no rest when you are the worlds superpower. Ironically Russia or China would just shell the whole region and kill everyone.

    We did not "pick" Maliki, he was elected. He wasn't our puppet-and if he was why did Obama claim HE is the reason why we aren't in Iraq now?

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

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    Maliki refused to send any of the arms we promised the Kurds and ISIS has a lot of our weapons instead. That has been the problem.
    Yes to an extent, but lets not forget these are the SAME terrorists Obama wanted to arm in Syria. Assad is no angel-but he's better than this.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by zoetherat View Post
    Isis is better armed then the Kurds. And I don't think this is an all or nothing proposition. If we keep the Kurds from being overrun, that's an accomplishment in itself. Plus, it leaves open the prospect that a competent alliance against Isis will form at a later date.
    The Kurds are missing one thing-anti-armor. They have RPG's of limited effectiveness but they DONT have guided rockets like the Kornet. They also dont have all of the urban centers ISIS does in Syria-and so they are more exposed. What they NEED is some javelins (probably already there) and air support to destroy ISIS's longer range weapons (tanks/artillery). Remember, the Iraqi military is still fighting, and they are supplying what they can to the kurds. This is still Iraq for now.
    Last I heard-Obama had only struck 4 technical vehicles. Thats NOTHING, we need to step it up. It SHOULD already be open season there, but Obama does not want to commit, especially until polling is analyzed.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So then we remain ever vigilant, no rest when you are the worlds superpower. Ironically Russia or China would just shell the whole region and kill everyone.

    We did not "pick" Maliki, he was elected. He wasn't our puppet-and if he was why did Obama claim HE is the reason why we aren't in Iraq now?
    I did not say he was our puppet it is quite the opposite. He's a terrorist and Iranian sympathizer that the CIA found and got Bush to approve him. This is a good read...What We Left Behind - The New Yorker

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I did not say he was our puppet it is quite the opposite. He's a terrorist and Iranian sympathizer that the CIA found and got Bush to approve him. This is a good read...What We Left Behind - The New Yorker
    He was elected-not installed by the US.

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

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    Yes to an extent, but lets not forget these are the SAME terrorists Obama wanted to arm in Syria. Assad is no angel-but he's better than this.
    So now we are left picking the LEAST abhorrent genocidal maniacs? Is this the result you expected when we upset the balance of power in the M.E.?
    This is a good piece on the effectiveness of airpower alone. It's pretty optimistic that we can at least stop any more advances by ISIS. Taking back the cities is another story. ISIS: Can air power stop its advance? (Opinion) - CNN.com

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    Re: Is Obama right to go back into Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Reagan was not perfect by any means, but in regards to the Middle East he hit the nail on the head. These people have been fighting since the beginning of time. Peace in the Middle East is actually a biblical sign of the end-times. Who, in their right mind, would suggest we get involved in centuries upon centuries of brutal conflict?
    Really? After seeing some of the photos of what's happening over there, who in their right mind doesn't want to help some of those poor people out. I agree that it's simply infeasible to sort it out but if I had the means to clear it up it would take a lot to stop me from doing it. Obama is one of the only people in the world right now who has access to those means.
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