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    Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    I want to start off by saying that I believe that beauty is entirely subjective and that everyone is beautiful depending on their own self-perception and the perception of the individual looking at them. That said It has become apparent that in the crusade to combat insensitive attitudes towards obese people that the reality of what obesity remains to be has been lost.

    On facebook a plus sized model posted a photo of herself in a bikini. She is indeed beautiful and this thread is not about whether or not obesity is beautiful it's about the medical consensus regarding obesity. Being obese is health hazard, it increases the likelihood of a great many life shortening illnesses and diseases. So when in the comments of that photo I see people celebrating her for being an icon and symbol for those like her and others it becomes a tad worrying. It sends a very serious message that in effect demeans the medical aspects of obesity.

    https://www.facebook.com/TessMunster...e=1&permPage=1



    Then in this article, one of many, there is a very strong shift in perception of fitness and health with men. In it, titled "Real Men", the author establishes a new stereotype. Comparing photos of men who are a tad chubby and not fit to athletic counterparts the article insists that the former is an example of real men and "reality" and that the latter are absurd ideals being pushed on men. Insisting that athletic male models are the equivalent of the negative female model stereotype of "anorexic beauty". The true absurdity being that for men, who are anatomically and biologically engineered for easier muscle gain, being athletic is not in any way impossible or unrealistic especially at a young age.

    If 'Real Men' Posed In Underwear Ads



    The change in perception is all very jarring and worrisome. There is nothing wrong with promoting beauty in all it's forms, but if the cost is to ignore health and fitness so that we can become complacent with average health and fitness practices or worse complacent with being obese then what message is being sent out to the public, especially children?
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Her face may be beautiful. Her body is not. Obesity is not beautiful. It may be socially acceptable these days, but beautiful, it is not. It is unhealthy, uncomfortable, and has a host of health problems associated with it.

    As for glamorizing it, it doesn't matter either way to me. For myself, you could glamorize it to the maximum allowable, and I would still not find it acceptable for me. I would feel absolutely miserable.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    I don't think it is being glamorized. I'd say the extreme opposite is being glamorized. The "pop culture" magazines glamorize being dangerously skinny and half-starving yourself to look "pretty."

    However it is a legitimate medical problem, and a completely preventable one at that.

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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I don't think it is being glamorized. I'd say the extreme opposite is being glamorized. The "pop culture" magazines glamorize being dangerously skinny and half-starving yourself to look "pretty."

    However it is a legitimate medical problem, and a completely preventable one at that.
    I'm seeing an attempt to make obesity more glamorous for the past few years, and I believe it is because so many more people are overweight nowadays, and they want to still feel desirable and sexy, regardless of their willingness to control their weight. I think it's "normal" that is no longer seen as cool.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Not sure if it's being glamorized per se, but it's certainly being coddled to an unhealthy degree, at least from my perspective.

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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I don't think it is being glamorized. I'd say the extreme opposite is being glamorized. The "pop culture" magazines glamorize being dangerously skinny and half-starving yourself to look "pretty."

    However it is a legitimate medical problem, and a completely preventable one at that.
    I agree, but I have noticed that is becoming more and more admirable to ignore weight and respect beauty in all it's form. And it's there where a thin line is formed, because on one side Yeah if you are big and proud and happy then so be it, but at the same time being big comes with a cost. And when you promote pride in being overweight that sends message to impressionable minds. So where does a line need to be drawn is what I wonder.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Not sure if it's being glamorized per se, but it's certainly being coddled to an unhealthy degree, at least from my perspective.
    Yeah, You actually used better words than I. Coddle is the perfect word.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    I agree. I think it's kind of disturbing to try to make super morbid obesity "glamorous." Let's be honest, that's the category she'd fall into. At this weight, at her age, it's fairly likely she'll die in middle age.

    This has definitely been a big thing in one branch of the "body acceptance" movement lately (which I don't think is truly accepting, but whatever). It's understandable, given that most people in this country are now overweight or obese. But instead of fixing it, they seem to want to make it the new beauty standard.

    It is one thing to accept oneself, and to show different builds and types of people who are healthy, and to divorce oneself from the body being their only source of worth, or to even just be honest with oneself and say, "I understand the risks of being like this, and I'm ok with that."

    But to tout it as... glamorous? Yeah, that's disturbing. It's JUST AS DISTURBING as trying to make an anorexic with a BMI of 13 look "glamorous." Deadly diseases are not glamorous. Anorexia isn't. Super morbid obesity isn't. And I'm sorry, I am just not going to pretend otherwise.

    Why can't we get to the point where we don't need to glamorize the extremes? It's like tragedy porn. How about people who just look like people?

    I'm less clear-cut on the set about men. I went to the link, and you know, a lot of those "normal guys" are actually normal. One is of the "brick ****house" variety -- you know, football big. They will always carry a bigger layer than most, but that's normal for them. And a couple of the other guys do actually have muscle definition and no noticeable paunch.

    No, most normal guys don't have every muscle on their ribs defined, or an easily distinguishable whatever-pack, even if they are quite fit. That one I kind of agree with, though I do notice they've excluded the "wiry" body type, which a lot of younger men have until their 30's or so.

    I would say on the whole most of the guys I've dated are fairly fit, and I only dated one who looked like any of those models. He was a professional aerialist, which is incredibly physically demanding. Way beyond just "being in shape." Working out even a couple hours every day won't get you a body like that.

    So I don't think it's necessarily realistic to paint that as the ideal or the norm. You can be quite fit and not look like that.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm seeing an attempt to make obesity more glamorous for the past few years, and I believe it is because so many more people are overweight nowadays, and they want to still feel desirable and sexy, regardless of their willingness to control their weight. I think it's "normal" that is no longer seen as cool.
    I think both extremes are being pushing to an unhealthy degree tbh. I agree that obesity is being glamorized to a degree, but you still have to bear in mind there is another extreme all the way on the other end: anorexia.

    Both of which, IMHO, are preventable with a healthy diet and a reasonable amount of exercise. Hell, you probably don't even have to do the exercise. I know a woman who dropped near 100 pounds just by switching to organic foods and getting off her sodas.

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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I agree. I think it's kind of disturbing to try to make super morbid obesity "glamorous." Let's be honest, that's the category she'd fall into. At this weight, at her age, it's fairly likely she'll die in middle age.

    This has definitely been a big thing in one branch of the "body acceptance" movement lately (which I don't think is truly accepting, but whatever). It's understandable, given that most people in this country are now overweight or obese. But instead of fixing it, they seem to want to make it the new beauty standard.

    It is one thing to accept oneself, and to divorce oneself from the body being their only source of worth, or to even just be honest with oneself and say, "I understand the risks of being like this, and I'm ok with that."

    But to tout it as... glamorous? Yeah, that's disturbing. It's JUST AS DISTURBING as trying to make an anorexic with a BMI of 13 look "glamorous." Deadly diseases are not glamorous. Anorexia isn't. Super morbid obesity isn't. And I'm sorry, I am just not going to pretend otherwise.

    Why can't we get to the point where we don't need to glamorize the extremes? It's like tragedy porn. How about people who just look like people?

    I'm less clear-cut on the set about men. I went to the link, and you know, a lot of those "normal guys" are actually normal. One is of the "brick ****house" variety -- you know, football big. They will always carry a bigger layer than most, but that's normal for them. And a couple of the other guys do actually have muscle definition and no noticeable paunch.

    No, most normal guys don't have every muscle on their ribs defined, or an easily distinguishable whatever-pack, even if they are quite fit. That one I kind of agree with, though I do notice they've excluded the "wiry" body type, which a lot of younger men have until their 30's or so.

    I would say on the whole most of the guys I've dated are fairly fit, and I only knew one who looked like any of those models. He was a professional aerialist, which is incredibly physically demanding. Way beyond just "being in shape." Working out even a couple hours every day won't get you a body like that.

    So I don't think it's necessarily realistic to paint that as the ideal or the norm. You can be quite fit and not look like that.
    I understand what you are saying about men. However my contention is the notion that men who do look like the latter are achieving some sort of impossible goal and that it's not reasonable. I think that message is negative. And when they follow it up by insisting men like David Beckam are not "Real" it becomes all the more absurd. A real man is a real man no matter their size. We should promote athleticism whether or not your body will look like magazine covers is irrelevant, what is relevant is what excersie does for health.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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