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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Yes it is and there poses in issue in doing so.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What?
    Yes it is being glamorized and that poses an issue.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I think both extremes are being pushing to an unhealthy degree tbh. I agree that obesity is being glamorized to a degree, but you still have to bear in mind there is another extreme all the way on the other end: anorexia.

    Both of which, IMHO, are preventable with a healthy diet and a reasonable amount of exercise. Hell, you probably don't even have to do the exercise. I know a woman who dropped near 100 pounds just by switching to organic foods and getting off her sodas.
    Interestingly, back in the early 1900's up until about the 50's, people were pretty darn thin, and it wasn't from anorexia. It was because they generally didn't have excess of anything, including food. It's only since the post-war period that Americans started living such lives of excess across the board, in huge numbers, and especially after the 60's. I love vintage clothing, and especially stuff from the 20s to 40s, and although I am a small woman, it is not easy or common at all to find dresses that will fit over my hips. The American average body has changed dramatically over the past few decades.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I understand what you are saying about men. However my contention is the notion that men who do look like the latter are achieving some sort of impossible goal and that it's not reasonable. I think that message is negative. And when they follow it up by insisting men like David Beckam are not "Real" it becomes all the more absurd. A real man is a real man no matter their size. We should promote athleticism whether or not your body will look like magazine covers is irrelevant, what is relevant is what excersie does for health.
    It likely is impossible for, say, the guy who has the "brick ****house" build. It's probably impossible for the "wiry" man, who might get the definition, but will never have the bulk.

    These kinds of ads don't really promote athleticism, any more than super thin models promote sensible eating. They promote in image -- a look.

    Also, when considering what this article is responding to, we have to put this in the context for the way men display eating disorders -- which we are seeing more and more of. Men who are anorexic tend to rely less on just straight starvation, and more on extreme exercise. Do I think that's related to this idea that any guy can look like that? Yeah, I'd say it is.

    I might tend to agree with you that the mainstream image promoted of men is less extreme -- and likewise, the "average" of men promoted in that article is also less extreme than it is in the women's body acceptance movement.

    I don't agree that it's entirely realistic though. Just less impossible than the ideal for women.

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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Interestingly, back in the early 1900's up until about the 50's, people were pretty darn thin, and it wasn't from anorexia. It was because they generally didn't have excess of anything, including food. It's only since the post-war period that Americans started living such lives of excess across the board, in huge numbers, and especially after the 60's. I love vintage clothing, and especially stuff from the 20s to 40s, and although I am a small woman, it is not easy or common at all to find dresses that will fit over my hips. The American average body has changed dramatically over the past few decades.
    I'm not even sure it's how much you're eating, but what you're eating. If your snacks consist of apples and salads, rather than twinkies and cookies, you won't have as much of a problem. If you get seconds of a grass-fed steak dinner, rather than seconds of pasta or microwave dinners, you won't have as much of a problem. I eat a considerable amount of food myself, but it's good food.

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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I'm not even sure it's how much you're eating, but what you're eating. If your snacks consist of apples and salads, rather than twinkies and cookies, you won't have as much of a problem. If you get seconds of a grass-fed steak dinner, rather than seconds of pasta or microwave dinners, you won't have as much of a problem. I eat a considerable amount of food myself, but it's good food.
    For the most part, it's a numbers game. More intake in calories than expenditure in bmr plus activity, and you'll gain. More expenditure than intake, and you'll lose weight. I could live on twinkies and chips if I kept my calorie intake below a certain level. I would be very unhealthy, but I would be alive.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Obesity is not being glamorized. The things people are taking issue with nowadays are unhealthily skinny models and beauty standards only Photoshop can meet. Reducing the emphasis on being stick-thin does not mean obesity is being glamorized.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    For the most part, it's a numbers game. More intake in calories than expenditure in bmr plus activity, and you'll gain. More expenditure than intake, and you'll lose weight. I could live on twinkies and chips if I kept my calorie intake below a certain level. I would be very unhealthy, but I would be alive.
    Well living off of twinkies and chips would not exactly help your obesity problem. You could "live" off of them, sure I guess. But the goal here isn't simply living, but living healthy.

    I don't think a high intake of calories is inherently a bad thing as long as they aren't empty calories. If you're getting important vitamins and proteins from a high calorie diet, and you're exercising regularly, that kind of diet will not make you obese. It's empty calories like carbs, grains, and starches that are the real enemy. Your pastas, your twinkies, your cookies, your bread. Empty calories, coupled with infrequent or non-existent exercise routines, are the root cause of obesity in my experience.

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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    I've always noticed on facebook, that women who are absurdly obese and men who are married to absurdly obese women, will put out posts like "Real men love women with curves" or "No one wants to cuddle a stick". Then there are the requisite photos of a curvy and sexy lingerie model who is a little overweight juxtaposed against Nicole Richie at her anorexic worst telling men that curvy women are sexier, as if men were lusting after Nicole Richie in droves (I know not one man who has ever mentioned her in regards to....well...anything). Honestly, I think men are much more accepting of women's bodies than women are of each others. We are not that picky. Yes, Kate Upton's of the world turn our heads. But that doesn't exclude us from finding other body types attractive.

    As far as men having negative body images, it's out there I guess but I'm not sure if it is a growing problem or if there is just more awareness it exists in small numbers. If anything, our egos are more performance driven than being dominated by weight scales.
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    Re: Is Obesity in America Being Glamorized and should it be?

    Not yet mentioned is PPACA and its total acceptance of obesity as a normal health condition. While the First Lady goes on a crusade to fight obesity, our President's signature health care madness refuses to allow insurance premiums to be adjusted upward for obesity - yet they may be for age which is neither preventable nor reversible. The official government message seems to be that it is cool, or at least acceptable, to let your body accumulate excess fat even though it has known and serious negative heath consequences.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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