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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should it be a crime for an elected official to lie to the people on open airwaves, in person etc etc? Now I don't mean lying to other governments and what not. I'm talking about lying to US Citizens.
    No, but it should be a crime for people to be stupid enough to fall for it.
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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should it be a crime for an elected official to lie to the people on open airwaves, in person etc etc? Now I don't mean lying to other governments and what not. I'm talking about lying to US Citizens.
    I think that would be great, but I don't see how it could possibly be determined or enforced. As it stands there are a thousand and one ways to deceive without actually lying.

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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should it be a crime for an elected official to lie to the people on open airwaves, in person etc etc? Now I don't mean lying to other governments and what not. I'm talking about lying to US Citizens.
    Absolutely not. Sometimes it is necessary for an elected official to deceive the people or mask their true views on issues before a matter is settled (FDR's prevarication's and hedging in the lead up to World War II come to mind so does Polk and the coveting of California). We elect representatives not proxies and if you don't like your representative or think he lied to you don't vote for him or her. The mechanism for punishing lying representatives should come from the electorate not the courts.

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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    I'm actually a bit surprised at the results here. Some of you don't agree because of the logistics, others just seem to not mind being lied to by our government because they see it as a necessity for the government to perform its job "properly".

    I do agree that the logistics of such would be hard to overcome. But imo nothing worth doing is ever easy and it being hard should not be a deterrent to at least try. I do admit that setting something up would be extremely hard, but I'm not exactly the smartest person in the world either. I'm sure that with enough time, resources, and some very smart people something could be set up.

    As for the last half of the above first paragraph, I'll simply have to just disagree.
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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Absolutely not. Sometimes it is necessary for an elected official to deceive the people or mask their true views on issues before a matter is settled (FDR's prevarication's and hedging in the lead up to World War II come to mind so does Polk and the coveting of California). We elect representatives not proxies and if you don't like your representative or think he lied to you don't vote for him or her. The mechanism for punishing lying representatives should come from the electorate not the courts.
    There is a difference between prevarication and out right lying. I have no problem with a politician saying something to the effect of "I'm not sure at this time" or "I cannot comment on that" or something similar. Lying outright however should never be tolerated in those that are supposed to make the laws of this country and uphold those laws and the Constitution.
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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should it be a crime for an elected official to lie to the people on open airwaves, in person etc etc? Now I don't mean lying to other governments and what not. I'm talking about lying to US Citizens.
    Although I think lying to the public is awful I think its a slippery slope to criminalize it simply because so many people don't know the definition of a lie, or they do but seek to twist the facts themselves in order to demonize their political opposition. A liar isn't always someone who makes an untrue statement. When George H. Bush said "Read my lips, no new taxes" that was not a lie because he meant it at the time he made the statement. When Bill Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman..." it was essentially a true statement. When George W. Bush said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, it was not true but it also was not being a liar because he along every intelligence agency on earth honestly thought he did. Then the country could end up expending countless hours debating was it a lie or not a lie instead of trying to help improve the economy, educate kids an run the government. IMHO if a politician lies and the voters are upset about it, the voters express that election day.

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    Re: Should it be a crime for....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There is a difference between prevarication and out right lying. I have no problem with a politician saying something to the effect of "I'm not sure at this time" or "I cannot comment on that" or something similar. Lying outright however should never be tolerated in those that are supposed to make the laws of this country and uphold those laws and the Constitution.
    Problem is, how do you proof they are lying, when they cover their lies so well?
    From current headlines:
    One of them is telling us now that it was not his decision to ________

    Yet he said:
    “I promised _______, and I did”

    Is that what you mean? If so, are these promises, speeches, briefings not a matter of interpretation, depending which side of the aisle is doing the interpreting?

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