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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While there is some truth to what you have said, the flaw is that a person, the President, actually makes decisions. As such, in order for foreign powers to effectively have influence on those decisions, they MUST take into account the person who occupies the office.
    Most diplomatic decisions are already made. They're negotiated and decided by the foreign office of both parties and the president, like the heads of state of any country, is usually just there for ceremony.

    Only decisions that are done in the spirit of the moment, like, critical decisions, where the president actually calls the shot, under advisement. And Obama is a person who at least seems to be very open to advisement. So from that respect ,he seems good.

    As for the 2 you mentioned.
    Biden seems to be more open to advice than Hillary... but then again, I have a poor opinion of Hillary ever since she did that stupid "reset button" strategy with Russia. I mean, how naive can you be...

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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Most diplomatic decisions are already made. They're negotiated and decided by the foreign office of both parties and the president, like the heads of state of any country, is usually just there for ceremony.

    Only decisions that are done in the spirit of the moment, like, critical decisions, where the president actually calls the shot, under advisement. And Obama is a person who at least seems to be very open to advisement. So from that respect ,he seems good.

    As for the 2 you mentioned.
    Biden seems to be more open to advice than Hillary... but then again, I have a poor opinion of Hillary ever since she did that stupid "reset button" strategy with Russia. I mean, how naive can you be...
    Decisions like whether or not we are going to bomb ISIS in Iraq are made by the President. And although it is true that such decisions are made under advice, someone who is seeking to influence such a decisions must take into account the person who is in office such that their power of persuasion will be effective. For example, someone like George W Bush is more likely persuaded with emotional appeals and simplistic examples, whereas Obama is more likely persuaded with logic arguments and facts.

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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While I understand what you are saying, I don't think your analogy is good because it's not that bad. It's more like having to choose between collard greens or turnips on your pizza. You would likely prefer neither, but if you had to make a choice, you would at least have something that is edible.
    Sorry, but I happen to think that even after 5 plus years of Obama's disastrous Presidency things could even get worse. I'd rather go on a starvation diet than be forced to digest 4 or 8 years of Biden or Clinton. Neither Biden nor Clinton look like they like golf, vacationing, fundraising and ego trips so they'd be spending too much time in Washington for any good to come out of it.
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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sorry, but I happen to think that even after 5 plus years of Obama's disastrous Presidency things could even get worse. I'd rather go on a starvation diet than be forced to digest 4 or 8 years of Biden or Clinton. Neither Biden nor Clinton look like they like golf, vacationing, fundraising and ego trips so they'd be spending too much time in Washington for any good to come out of it.
    Well we are going to be forced fed whether we like it or not. It's better someone like that than Michelle Bachmann. That would be like worms on your pizza.

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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Decisions like whether or not we are going to bomb ISIS in Iraq are made by the President. And although it is true that such decisions are made under advice, someone who is seeking to influence such a decisions must take into account the person who is in office such that their power of persuasion will be effective. For example, someone like George W Bush is more likely persuaded with emotional appeals and simplistic examples, whereas Obama is more likely persuaded with logic arguments and facts.
    Yes, that's exactly what I was saying when I said that the decisions are more of the spirit of the moment ones rather than diplomatic ones.
    I wouldn't say that Bush is more sentimental or succeptible to emotional appeal than Obama. I mean, lets face it, it's not quite that straightforward.

    Anyway. while the decision to bomb or not bomb ISIS is indeed up to the president but I don't think Obama will go to the meeting and say "let's bomb ISIS". I think that one of the people, his military advisors or council or whatever, come in and say what the situation is and what are the courses of action.


    Today, much of the whole process of governing and administrating the country is not run by politicians. The politicians set " a course" and not much else. It's just too much to be handled by non-specialists. Especially in regards to military action.

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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well we are going to be forced fed whether we like it or not. It's better someone like that than Michelle Bachmann. That would be like worms on your pizza.
    No, Michelle Bachmann would be like regurgitated salmonella poisoned chicken on your pizza. I'm passing that option too.
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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Gee, I don't know. Neither would be worth a damn. Why don't you ask if it would be better for a man to cut off his left testicle or his right.
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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think Joe Biden brings more experience and it better connected on the international stage than Hillary Clinton. He has done a good job supporting the presidency of Barack Obama. Does not try to get out in front, but when called upon does not hesitate to give his best shot at the task he is assigned. I would rather see Biden president than Clinton. What do you think?
    Definitely not. In the words of Robert Gates he has been "wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades." He isn't the right man for the perilous world we face. Hillary Clinton would be a dramatic improvement over Obama and leagues ahead of Biden.

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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

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    Re: Would Joe Biden be a better president than Hillary Clinton

    Joe Biden??????? President?????????????????????


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