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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Of course the CEO's and shareholders are all about financial health of the company. The CEO has a fiduciary duty to perform his duties for the benefit of the shareholders. In general there is nothing altruistic about it. Do you think the public employee pension plans who invest in these companies give a rats ass how the employees are treated? They demand an ROI, period, or they will invest elsewhere. That goes for all shareholders.

    The most profitable issue is the customer. Without them, there is no revenue, so I'm not sure where you're coming from their. The only ones not really concerned with profits are the employees. They want as much as they can get and they leave it up to management to figure out how to remain healthy and open.
    Greetings, ocean515.

    : It's difficult to imagine a growing economy with a "low participation labor force" coupled with very high consumer debt. Where are overall future earnings supposed to come from, when "customers" just don't have the money to spend? Add in 50 million people on food-stamps just so they don't starve, and the picture gets even more grim for many businesses. :

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    The people have a responsibility to force change in the market when things are unjust, not the government. The market has more power than the government has when it comes to this, so it is up to them to shape a safe and prosperous workplace. If companies are unwilling to conform to the wishes of the market, it is there fault when they go out of business. I do not support compulsory membership though, because that is when the rights of the individual is infringed upon.
    You have that first part wrong and that's where the system breaks. It's the government people have a responsibility to change. Government regulates business.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The point was the directors choosing to take their six figure salaries intact for two years instead of allowing that money to keep the company going for a couple more years.

    Management taking short term profits over workers and customers.
    I understood your point. Obviously I don't know the circumstances. Perhaps the directors passed on other opportunities to run the opera and feel justified in being paid what they were promised before the inevitable takes place. Perhaps they are just douche bags.

    Don't forget, management did figure out how to keep the operation going for some period of time, so people were employed. If there are not enough customers I don't see how they were shorted.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    So lets see.

    All jobs apprenticeships. All scamming "schools" shut down.
    German labor laws for USA. 2 weeks paid vacation, 3 years materity leave, works councils, 1 year of pay to dismiss a worker for any reason.
    German labour law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "At will" - right to work, banned.

    if you apply for jobs and companies do not offer you a job, unlimited corp paid unemployment untill they do give you a job.

    Labor unions totally reformed. No corrupt officials allowed to stay. (read Solidarity for Sale and its list of reforms)

    National trade licences, so workers can move as needed. You can be a machinist, and bring your seniority from Boeing to a state job to a college job with no restriction.

    Repeal 1946 slave act. All of it. (Taft Hartly)

    1/3 of all board seats go the workers

    Crossing a picket line is a felony. 5-10 years in Fed Prison.

    Equal pay. Equal work. Federal law for pay and all benifits. (no more UAW (and others) selling out their class)

    Computer people not exempt any more. Make programming a skilled trade.

    That would all be a good start...............................
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?
    Yeah, they've been replaced by low wages, part time work weeks, and wage theft. Yeah....the middle class and labor have won the war, time to go home folks...nothing to see here. We're living in a workers paradise.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    One would think that would be obvious, but too many companies don't do that. What you're talking about is long-term stability. Text book theory, not today's fast-paced reality. Too many companies are only concerned with the short-term... this quarter, and *maybe* next quarter. Maybe. Anything beyond that is too for out to worry about.

    A perfect example would be cable and satellite and cell phone companies that put great emphasis on attracting new customers and virtually zero emphasis on keeping existing customers.
    I agree there has been too much emphasis on short term strategies for gain, as opposed to long term growth. That has been fueled by a number of factors. As long as profits meet targets, companies are bound to the need to be responsive to the market place.

    Don't forget to factor in the fickleness of the consumer. One months winner is next months forgotten has been. There is very little loyalty among customers. Whether that is being driven by the shortsightedness of the companies, or the other way around, is a reasonable question to ponder.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Unions are nothing but a leftist tool to let the ignorant and often lazy masses to exert control over the successful. Just another way to make people into a flock of sheeple instead of them standing up and earning for themselves.
    Say how are your really smart and "educated" computer workers doing in your non union, "successful" system????????/

    Seems not so well................LMAO


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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I understood your point. Obviously I don't know the circumstances. Perhaps the directors passed on other opportunities to run the opera and feel justified in being paid what they were promised before the inevitable takes place. Perhaps they are just douche bags.

    Don't forget, management did figure out how to keep the operation going for some period of time, so people were employed. If there are not enough customers I don't see how they were shorted.
    Surprisingly, when those who worked for or enjoyed the opera became aware of the issue their efforts bought the company another year. The director had paid some or firm $80k a year to increase business with no measurable effect.
    Last edited by What if...?; 08-12-14 at 02:04 PM.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, ocean515.

    : It's difficult to imagine a growing economy with a "low participation labor force" coupled with very high consumer debt. Where are overall future earnings supposed to come from, when "customers" just don't have the money to spend? Add in 50 million people on food-stamps just so they don't starve, and the picture gets even more grim for many businesses. :
    Hi polgara

    A company has to be very careful how it allocates it's capital. In the past, economic downturns presented opportunities for gain because market share was more readily available as the tide turned. Today, it's like trying to judge whether a traffic signal is going to be green four blocks before you get to it. Judge wrong, and it could be all over.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Surprisingly, when those who worked for or enjoyed the opera became aware of the issue their efforts bought the company another year. The director had paid some or firm $80k a year to increase with no measurable effect.
    That's a good thing. Those with a real interest in opera are doing the right thing. Perhaps a new director is the next step.

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