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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Destined for severe decline in the future of America. Generally speaking unions are becoming less and less working class white and more and more minority based. In political America that generally means dramatic decline in influence on all levels.

    Also there are geographical phenomena at play. The Midwest, Northern unions are in decline because manufacturing is being permanently moved to the Southern US and given to lower class Hispanics, blacks, whites, others who aren't even legally allowed to unionize in those states because unions are illegal or near illegal as well as the expected pay is significantly lower in the South. That phenomena is unstoppable at this point. Midwest, Northern manufacturing is being permanently phased out. Soon it will be gone forever due to the above reality.


    Union decline can basically be attributed to this phenomena:


    -Strong white working class demographics = ability to pressure white middle + upper class to safeguard unions


    -Weak white working class demographics + strong minority working class demographics = inability to influence white middle + upper class to safeguard unions = companies relocate to anti-union South + existing unions are gutted into irrelevance



    American unions fate was completely reliant on strong white working class demographics and political influence. That has seriously waned and isn't likely to come back. Nor are the unions.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Personally I tend to believe that trade unions are probably too traditional to represent the needs of people in the changed economy and require a rejuvenation or remain a rather inefficient remnant of past glory, when the rackets could wield its power in the docks and slaughterhouses or Hoffa return the vote.
    A trade union is a union that requires you to go to school to learn a trade, through either or both, in class schooling or on the job apprenticeship. Pretty sure dock workers and slaughterhouse employees don't fit that description, but I could be wrong. I know as an Ironworker I am quite glad I have a union to represent me.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    I don't see anyone else stepping up to protect the interests of workers. I do see a lot of companies doing their best to exploit workers. Seems to me like they're necessary.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    At one time Unions were useful but they have become corrective and just a tool of the democratic party and have outlived their usefulness.
    Just like Corporations have become a tool of the Goper party, which outlived it's usefulness a very long time ago..
    If i didn't work in a union now i would be making about 3 bucks less an hour with fewer benefits, and some asshole could fire me because he doesn't like the color of my skin, or the type of clothing i wear, would i want that, HELL FUKKING NO...

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    One that does not change his statement of FACT. Unions are shills for the democrat party.

    Im reminded of the guy who goes to the dentist and is told he has a cavity-to which he replies "yeah but they aren't ALL cavities".
    And the Gopers are shills, and whores for corporations, always have been always will be...

    And i like how all the right to work states have conveniently have made a strong presence in the redneck white ghetto south, which is the poorest part of the country oh yea, and the most amount of folks without health insurance, LOL, see a connection here...

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    ..and when the competition between the two companies comes down to one of them surviving and one of them closing it's doors, it will be the non-union shop that stays open and the union shop that closes.

    My issue with unions is that too often they fail to recognize that what is best for the company is normally best for the employee. The industry I work has seen substantial contraction over the last decade or so and the survivors (like us) have generally been the non-union shops.
    This guy is smart he takes the Union gig, just like i did!! because without union representation they can fire you anytime they want without good reason or cause, so what difference does it make???

    I'll have more job security with the union, at least if i go down, the fu@king company will go down with me..

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?
    I don't like sweeping statements like "they are unnecessary." Some of them do good work. Unfortunately, many are just political organizations.


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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Yea and without unions, employers will ALWAYS take advantage of the weak, Wal.Mart ring a bell? poverty slave wages, working overtime, without correct compensation, unsafe working conditions, discrimination, abuse and harassment, firing without good cause, etc, and where is the employee supposed to go for protection without a union????

    Would i want to work without union representatin?? F@ck No...

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    And the Gopers are shills, and whores for corporations, always have been always will be...

    And i like how all the right to work states have conveniently have made a strong presence in the redneck white ghetto south, which is the poorest part of the country oh yea, and the most amount of folks without health insurance, LOL, see a connection here...
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Necessary...sure, I guess.

    But they are a detriment if pro-union laws are around.

    Make no laws that are either pro or anti-union...that is the best way, imo.

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