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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Then you probably get paid 5 times the real market value of your job and the amount/quality of the labor you actually do.

    Sure, it's good for you, right up until the time someone makes a robot to replace you or the company decides it can no longer afford you and outsources that job.
    Stagehand. Gonna be a while before they can build a robot to do what I do.

    And there's plenty of money flying around in my industry. The convention side is a writeoff for most of those companies. Then there's concerts and theater. We work for much less for the theaters so they can afford it.

    My union is structurally different from say an autoworker union. Our work isn't 9-5 40 hours a week. Work is doled out to senior members first, but is also based on skillset.

    I actually prefer the European model where labor is on the board. Minimizes silly nonsense from management and allows the kind of flexibility between investors and labor our adversarial system does not.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Sméagol.

    And yet we read that General Motors, which was bailed out by our taxpayer money, BTW, built their latest plant in Mexico! So much for loyalty to the USA taxpayer! :

    I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion that company stock be included in a worker's compensation package...great incentive, on a personal level, to assure that a worker does their best to help the company, which is paying their salary, succeed! Unfortunately, lots of failing companies only do this as a last resort, but it works!
    With a lot of companies, the employer/employee relationship is dysfunctional. Employers often see employees as liabilities, a drain on profits, a necessary evil. Employees see their employers as exploitive, unfair, etc. This is not good for the company nor the economy as a whole. Allowing employers to earn stock in their companies gets everybody on the same page, fosters team unity, fosters team loyalty and makes everyone the hardest worker they can ge because they have a vested interest in the companies success beyond getting paid on payday.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    With a lot of companies, the employer/employee relationship is dysfunctional. Employers often see employees as liabilities, a drain on profits, a necessary evil. Employees see their employers as exploitive, unfair, etc. This is not good for the company nor the economy as a whole. Allowing employers to earn stock in their companies gets everybody on the same page, fosters team unity, fosters team loyalty and makes everyone the hardest worker they can ge because they have a vested interest in the companies success beyond getting paid on payday.
    In my experience its union shops that have the adversarial relationship with their employees.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    At one time Unions were useful but they have become corrective and just a tool of the democratic party and have outlived their usefulness.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    At one time Unions were useful but they have become corrective and just a tool of the democratic party and have outlived their usefulness.
    I work for a labor union and they have endorsed several GOP congressmen/congresswoman both at state and national level.


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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    I consider Unions a necessary evil and what I mean by evil is they often behave just as their business counterparts in the very issues they champion against. They also go to far many times and not only hurt businesses but also those employed at those businesses. Unions I believe are more about the unions and less about the people they so called represent. Cut off the union dues and watch how fast they suddenly become disinterested in the plights of the working class.

    That said Unions and their lobbyist are an important part of the balance in Washington. In recent years some congressmen and business lobbyist have suggested we do things like remove minimum wage, stop overtime pay or raise the hours needed to reach overtime, reduce vacation time, ect. If they had their way we would be set back 150 years in labor laws. We think immigrant labor is a problem now wait until corporations can work you 80 hours at $2 and hour with no or little overtime pay. Americans would suddenly be out of work as they would be replaced by immigrant labor that would be willing to work in such circumstances.

    In short I see it as two entities who are greedy and self serving and not really interested in the little guy, its all about the money. But we cannot let one side or the other relinquish all the control or we are going to be in for some ugly times.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Those who consider Unions NON-useful should go back to working conditions before Unions.
    Such as not having weekends off and safety improvements just for starters .
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?
    8-hour work day? My last job was a 14-16hr. My current job is a 12hr and I'm pushing for more. I don't know wtf you're talkin about. It was 'won'? You mean "lost", only working 8 hours making your income smaller.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I work for a labor union and they have endorsed several GOP congressmen/congresswoman both at state and national level.
    Do you think your red herring changes reality?

    https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=P04
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Did I say I was a "red herring"? Was just stating a fact.


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