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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    We all know what would happen if it was not done that way... the same thing that would happen if income taxes were not being collected by the employer

    This would seem to indicate most people don't feel they receive value for their union dues.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    This would seem to indicate most people don't feel they receive value for their union dues.
    Actually it would indicate many people are a little short on scruples. Hopefully it is less than half (most). But the point is that if only a third fail to follow up on their legal/contractual/moral obligations then the entity relying on that support would experience difficulty, perhaps serious or terminal difficulty, in performing its intended task.

    Of course, as already mentioned, for its detractors that difficulty is the goal.

    There is a difference in reasoning between looking at all the elements of a situation then making a decision or conclusion, versus starting with the conclusion and emphasizing the elements what would lead to that conclusion while ignoring or minimizing the elements that do not lead to the desired pre-determined conclusion. In fact the second approach is not reasoning at all, but more of a meme or a dogma -- essentially the antithesis of independent thought.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    This would seem to indicate most people don't feel they receive value for their union dues.
    In quite a few states, it means the states mandate the unions help people wether they pay dues or not.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    I'm all for folks not paying Union dues.
    As long as they're willing to go back to the pre-Union conditions that President T. Roosevelt fought against.
    Along with them working weekends for no extra pay.
    And representing themselves with safety issues.
    And not receiving unemployment benefits.

    Should be an interesting Labor Day weekend with people biting the hand that directly/indirectly feeds them .
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Some unions are still relevant today but the vast majority aren't.

    And example of unions who aren't needed and are damaging today are public sector unions.
    Another example of where unions are holding back progress is in manufacturing. If jobs can be automated, jobs should be automated.

    An example of unions that are still needed or should exist if it doesn't is garbage collectors union for every garbage collecting company out there.
    Basically those areas where technology doesn't have an answer and where jobs give a low quality of life and low work satisfaction. Basically jobs who are just jobs and not careers. Fast food joints should have unions. I'm sorry, a lot of people will scream "but mah hamburger". Yeah, you shouldn't eat those everyday anyway. But they should have unions because working conditions are awful. Starbucks, mcdonalds, wendys', kfc, all of them.

    Truckers for instance are at a turning point. Until now, it may have been nice for them to have, if they didn't have, an union to represent them. But now, those that exist need to go away and no new ones formed because in about 10-20 years I think we'll see the first prototype of complete driverless car that can replace their job.
    LOL at "working conditions are awful." I can see how working in an air conditioned building for 8 hours at a time can be an inhumane thing to ask of someone. And having to stand up? What is this, a gulag? I've worked fast food. While it's certainly not my idea of a winning career, it's far from awful. The kids who assembled your sneakers would probably have a thing or two to teach you about awful.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The way I look at it, union membership should be voluntary - thus no closed shops and no up front dues subtracted from paychecks.

    Not sure how accurate Wikipedia is on the subject, but I glanced at it and it mentioned that some unions do not except dues collected by the employer, and in fact a few require that they be collected directly from the member.
    If you don't like the way unions are run, dont join one right? Most unionized business' have competitors that are non union. You are more than free to go join the non-union job and make less money.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    In quite a few states, it means the states mandate the unions help people wether they pay dues or not.
    Simply the passive non-direct threat of potential unionization helps non-union workers to receive better working condititions and compensation.

    Companies treat their workers better, in order to reduce their interest in joining unions. If a company treats it's employees right, and pays them well, they really have little reason to unionize. Most people would prefer to not have to deal with union rules, and I'm talking about labor AND management.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Simply the passive non-direct threat of potential unionization helps non-union workers to receive better working condititions and compensation.

    Companies treat their workers better, in order to reduce their interest in joining unions. If a company treats it's employees right, and pays them well, they really have little reason to unionize. Most people would prefer to not have to deal with union rules, and I'm talking about labor AND management.
    I don't mind that part. I don't mind giving non-union the same contract given to union members. What I was referring to was when states mandate that the union has to represent non-union in grievances with the company.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    If you don't like the way unions are run, dont join one right? Most unionized business' have competitors that are non union. You are more than free to go join the non-union job and make less money.
    Maybe that is the experience of some, however, it was never my experience. I received regular pay raises and later opportunities to move up when working at a non-union place, but not at a union one.

    For the conscientious, motivated hard worker, non-union offers much better opportunities. For the "what is required" and "I have to work" crowd who put out no extra effort or even a decent attitude, then unions are good for them. For the sub-standard worker, unions are definitely good for them as the unions offer means of protecting their jobs that they don't actually do up to standards.
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