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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I would say providing generally good insurance, providing better pay, benefits, and better job security serves their members...
    THese days they would have it without unions.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    THese days they would have it without unions.
    Tell that to a full time fast food worker then get back to me. Tell that to a union worker and a non-union worker.


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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Pot, meet kettle


    Offhand I would say the most disastrous things to happen to the country over the past few decades, with respect to harming the economy, are:

    1. The 9/11 attacks -- effectively caused by a corrupt foreign policy.

    2. The subsequent Iraq war -- decidedly caused by a corrupt Republican government (ours).

    3. The Great Recession of 2008 -- decidedly caused by corrupt, careless corporations.

    Tell me again how unions are destroying the country?
    Public sector unions are bankrupting municipalities - last time I checked 6 CA cities have gone bust, and several more are on that path. Teachers unions are nothing more than organized crime units that have figured out how to pick the lock of the public treasury.

    In San Diego the teachers union was able to secure a $100 million dollar loan to ensure that the teachers continued to receive their golden parachutes and early retirements. The terms of the loan were that there would be no payments for 20 years, but after that time the payoff amount would be $1 billion. Do you think some teacher who is getting ready to retire at the age of 52, is going to tell 7 year old little Johnnie that in 20 years, when he is 27, that he will have to start making payments on that loan so the teacher can retire early and live the good life until they kick off??

    Here in Wisconsin, the teachers union has stolen hundreds of millions of dollars - until enough people got wise, and ousted the radical left from power in this state. Of course the thieves threw a hissy fit that made national news, as all the Dems went into a childish exile in Illinois - they should have stayed there, as Chicago and Illinois are about as corrupt as any city-state in the country... they were pigs in mud down there, lol..

    You can't fire them for malfeasence, misconduct, poor performance, or anything for that matter. In short, it is nearly impossible to get rid of the parasites, and attempting to do so is very much time consuming and costly. Here in Wisconsin a few years ago, a teacher was fired for watching porn on his computer during class - the union went nuts, and began a years long battle to get the guy his job back. They got him his job back, with full back pay. Now that pervert is back to "teaching" children - as a concerned parent, I would never allow my child to come in contact with that piece of garbage.

    Detroit is fine example of leftist mismanagement; Birmingham, AL went bust; Santa Barbara, Stockton, Vallejo, etc... San Francisco will go bust within a decade, as will Los Angles; Chicago is in big trouble; the states of New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Michigan, and California are all on very shaky ground - all b/c of golden parachute retirement plans and benefits for unionized government workers.

    Notice a pattern there?? They are bastions of leftist, democrat, socialist, communist, unionized parasites.

    It is no accident or suprise that the communists have always targetted unions for infiltration and then used them as a vehicle to spread their poisonous ideology. They infiltrate institutions, and then turn those institutions against the people - of course the union workers within the institutions are benefitting handsomely - of course they think it's a great deal - and of course they couldn't care less about the impropriety of their actions, or the suffering and damage they cause to their society; b/c afterall, they themselves are profitting.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Pot, meet kettle


    Offhand I would say the most disastrous things to happen to the country over the past few decades, with respect to harming the economy, are:

    1. The 9/11 attacks -- effectively caused by a corrupt foreign policy.

    2. The subsequent Iraq war -- decidedly caused by a corrupt Republican government (ours).

    3. The Great Recession of 2008 -- decidedly caused by corrupt, careless corporations.

    Tell me again how unions are destroying the country?
    Offhand I would say the most disastrous things to happen to the country over the past few decades, with respect to harming the economy, are:

    1. The 9/11 attacks -- effectively caused by a corrupt foreign policy.

    2. The subsequent Iraq war -- decidedly caused by a corrupt Republican government (ours).

    3. The Great Recession of 2008 -- decidedly caused by corrupt, careless bankers and wallstreet firms.

    Tell me again how unions are destroying the country?

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Tell that to a full time fast food worker then get back to me. Tell that to a union worker and a non-union worker.
    Fast food workers are hilarious. These are jobs for teenagers and people who have already retired and these morons think they should earn $80K a year making french fries.

    And, in case you haven't noticed, union memberships are going down across the board.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    That argument is like saying "we already have free speech so why do we need the first amendment?"

    Who is to say all of those things won't be lost once unions are dissolved? Any free and just society requires the existence of unions.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Fast food workers are hilarious. These are jobs for teenagers and people who have already retired and these morons think they should earn $80K a year making french fries.
    Majority of fast food workers are adults. You said that "workers would have these without unions"? Why dont they?


    And, in case you haven't noticed, union memberships are going down across the board.
    Ok... That has nothing to do with our debate at hand.

    But none the less compare a union worker to a non-union worker. That union worker for the most part, has better pay, better health coverage, better benefits.


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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Majority of fast food workers are adults. You said that "workers would have these without unions"? Why dont they?
    The majority of those adults are people who have made bad decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok... That has nothing to do with our debate at hand.
    I'm just saying people are noticing that unions sux.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    But none the less compare a union worker to a non-union worker. That union worker for the most part, has better pay, better health coverage, better benefits.
    No, not really.

    I used to work for a company that had a plant in one state and a second plant in a neighboring state. One plant was unionized the other wasn’t. Both plants had to wear the company uniform, which everyone hated.

    The union plant didn’t have to wear their hats. That’s all their union dues bought them.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Nothing should prevent people from banding together and forming a trade organization. Membership shouldn't be a requirement to be employed at a business. It shouldn't have any backing from the government.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    The majority of those adults are people who have made bad decisions.
    So you stating that those rights have already been won is not true then.


    I'm just saying people are noticing that unions sux.
    There is no proof that declining union membership means "unions sux"

    No, not really.
    Yes, really.





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