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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    LoL name one country that builds skyscrapers without skilled workers.

    As a union ironworker you are required to have 5000 hours of non-paid schooling. Its a skilled trade regardless of your ignorance.

    And yes, there is Skilled Union workers in Mexico, China, all throughout Europe, even in the middle east. Learn a little before you rant.

    In fact the largest trade union in the world is in China.

    All-China Federation of Trade Unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Maybe you should read the WHOLE Wiki you put up. It may be a union but it has NO bargaining power and is run by the company......ROTFLMMFAO. You don't have to be "union" to be "skilled". Unions are done. The numbers are dwindling more and more each year. Bye, bye overpaid underworked laborers w/o brains. However, activists within the ACFTU and the World Federation of Trade Unions dispute the claims of the rival trade union federation. ACFTU activist Guo Wencai said that democratic elections were a key standard to measure the effectiveness of a trade union and noted that the practice of company chiefs "appointing union leaders or assigning someone from their human resources department to act as union leader hampers a trade union's independence and its ability to protect workers' rights.[
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Now I get it. You used to be a conservative, when you had a non-union job. Now with your union job, your conservative card has been repealed and the best you can do is to be a moderate.
    I've been that way far long before my last jobs. Actually a little after 2007 I switched to Democrat as I was getting older.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Maybe you should read the WHOLE Wiki you put up. It may be a union but it has NO bargaining power and is run by the company......ROTFLMMFAO. You don't have to be "union" to be "skilled". Unions are done. The numbers are dwindling more and more each year. Bye, bye overpaid underworked laborers w/o brains. However, activists within the ACFTU and the World Federation of Trade Unions dispute the claims of the rival trade union federation. ACFTU activist Guo Wencai said that democratic elections were a key standard to measure the effectiveness of a trade union and noted that the practice of company chiefs "appointing union leaders or assigning someone from their human resources department to act as union leader hampers a trade union's independence and its ability to protect workers' rights.[

    You know nothing of what trade unions do. Why do you hate on people making money? You'd rather stick up for big business than the middle class union worker? It just doesn't make sense to me why there is a race to the bottom. Are you just jealous and want to bring everyone down to your level?
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?
    Nope. They are simply wings of the democratic party and nothing more. They serve only themselves and Washington.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I've been that way far long before my last jobs. Actually a little after 2007 I switched to Democrat as I was getting older.
    That's the exact opposite path from what most people take...

    It's easy to be a liberal - no thinking required. It is why kids tend to be liberal, b/c they have no life experience, and are easily duped by slogans, calls for "justice" and "fairness", etc.

    As people age and grow in experience, idealism gives way to reality, and people tend to abandon the boondoggles and foolishness of their youth and gravitate toward more responsible and informed positions.

    As our Founding Fathers maintained, and as history clearly shows - only a fool would want to live in a democracy - how is it that no democrat understands any of this??

    I would think the corruption that is unions, and the disasterous effect they are having upon our country, would be obvious - yet it escapes people?? I find it all amazing.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Nope. They are simply wings of the democratic party and nothing more. They serve only themselves and Washington.
    So they are not necessary because you dont like who many labor unions endorse?


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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Big government tends to be in the pocket of big business. Conservative-led governments more than liberal-led governments, especially with respect to workers, but the latter is certainly not immune from being beholden to the almighty corporate dollar.
    Hillary Clinton come to mind? Ole Hilly worked for one of the biggest anti-union law firms in America. And when Hillary was on the WalMart Board of Directors she sat in on 33 anti-union board meetings. [...]
    Thank you for proving my point

    However, if you want to name names then I'm sure a President Hillary would be more friendly to labor than a President Chris, a President Rand, or a President Canada so, as I noted above, it is all a matter of degree.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    [...] It's easy to be a liberal - no thinking required. It is why kids tend to be liberal, b/c they have no life experience, and are easily duped by slogans, calls for "justice" and "fairness", etc. [...]
    Pot, meet kettle

    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I would think the corruption that is unions, and the disasterous effect they are having upon our country, would be obvious - yet it escapes people?? I find it all amazing.
    Offhand I would say the most disastrous things to happen to the country over the past few decades, with respect to harming the economy, are:

    1. The 9/11 attacks -- effectively caused by a corrupt foreign policy.

    2. The subsequent Iraq war -- decidedly caused by a corrupt Republican government (ours).

    3. The Great Recession of 2008 -- decidedly caused by corrupt, careless corporations.

    Tell me again how unions are destroying the country?

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So they are not necessary because you dont like who many labor unions endorse?
    I dont' think they're necessary as they don't serve the people they claim to. They are simply exist to put democrats in office.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    I dont' think they're necessary as they don't serve the people they claim to. They are simply exist to put democrats in office.
    I would say providing generally good insurance, providing better pay, benefits, and better job security serves their members...


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