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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    I think they are essential. In order to achieve a freer and stronger economy, we need to have the unions take the lead. Instead of petitioning the government though, they need to petition the individual companies and capture the markets attention. Only then will companies become more efficient and workers will be protected more effectively.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Unions are nothing but a leftist tool to let the ignorant and often lazy masses to exert control over the successful. Just another way to make people into a flock of sheeple instead of them standing up and earning for themselves.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I think they are essential. In order to achieve a freer and stronger economy, we need to have the unions take the lead. Instead of petitioning the government though, they need to petition the individual companies and capture the markets attention. Only then will companies become more efficient and workers will be protected more effectively.
    I think the greatest complaint in private industry is the impact they have had on putting companies out of business, or at least in causing them to take measures to try and maintain the profitability demanded by investors.

    In the public arena, they are a virus the public needs to address in some meaningful manner.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Of course they are. Right now we are experiencing a downturn in union activity and that will change over time. The only power the average working person has in in the unity of the union. Otherwise, its always one person against a more powerful machine - and these days its a massive corporate machine with very deep pockets.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Unions are nothing but a leftist tool to let the ignorant and often lazy masses to exert control over the successful. Just another way to make people into a flock of sheeple instead of them standing up and earning for themselves.
    You say that, but as a new guy in my union I make TWICE what non-union company supervisors we work with make. Three times what a new guy there makes.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You say that, but as a new guy in my union I make TWICE what non-union company supervisors we work with make. Three times what a new guy there makes.

    So I dismiss your claim as to individual negotiating power.
    What happens when such a separation in compensation gets addressed by methods or technology that eliminates the position at half the cost?

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What happens when such a separation in compensation gets addressed by methods or technology that eliminates the position at half the cost?
    Business will adopt those methods/technologies as soon as they become available whether there are unions or not. As they have been doing.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You say that, but as a new guy in my union I make TWICE what non-union company supervisors we work with make. Three times what a new guy there makes.

    So I dismiss your claim as to individual negotiating power.
    Then you probably get paid 5 times the real market value of your job and the amount/quality of the labor you actually do.

    Sure, it's good for you, right up until the time someone makes a robot to replace you or the company decides it can no longer afford you and outsources that job.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think a big problem in political logic is the all or nothing mentality.

    Should every single job in America be unionized? No.
    Should unions be completely done away with? No.

    Unions I'm some cases do have a history of hurting business and shutting down companies struggling to survive, ultimately costing their own jobs. I think it was eastern airlines that died as a company because of a union. At the same time, and especially today, the corporate culture gives the top management huge salaries, huge bonuses, golden parachutes while keeping rank and file employees compensation as low as possible, slashing benefits and lasting off people while giving those kept with more work or moving jobs to the third world where they can pay workers pennies on the dollar. This is contributing to the political culture where workers who feel their livelihoods are being threatened with vote against the party that see as being in the back pockets of the corporate big-wigs and against their financial well being where "perception is reality" even when its not.

    A better solution than unions is to include company stock in workers' compensation.
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    I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion that company stock be included in a worker's compensation package...great incentive, on a personal level, to assure that a worker does their best to help the company, which is paying their salary, succeed! Unfortunately, lots of failing companies only do this as a last resort, but it works!

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Unions are anything but necessary-in fact improving standards even as unions die a slow death show this to be the case.

    Unions are anti-competition. They drive up costs to the consumer and sub-par employees are harder to replace. The implications of this are far reaching.

    Unions are anti-first amendment because they violate freedom of association (under the 1st). These unions are generally NOT voluntary, and FORCE individuals to pay for political contributions, etc.

    I dance on the grave of unions.

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