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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    WTF are you talking about? Unions taking other unions jobs? I mentioned non-union sheet metal workers taking Union Ironworkers jobs for penny's on the dollar. Paying for a job? Are you talking about union dues? My union dues are like 50 bucks a month, and I make over 8000 a month. If an Ironworker has a problem with paying .6% of his monthly paycheck to cover administration costs then he doesn't need to be an Ironworker, go work at McDonalds for 9 bucks n hour. Why should anyone be happy to take a job for half the union job, when they can just join the union and make twice what they would make otherwise? Why, cause you have to pay union dues? Give me a break.

    I shouldn't have to ask the question.. I already know the answer. The reason is that you on the right get filled with so much misinformation and politicized nonsense about how horrible unions are and how they are dragging this country down. You've never actually been a part of one, and never actually learned a single thing about how they operate or how they benefit the people that are part of them. You just keep swallowing the same nonsense and lies that you hear and regurgitate them at me in the form of your previous post.
    If unions are so great, why are union numbers going down instead of up? If your Ironworker job is so "skilled" why do you NEED a union? If you are such a "skilled" workforce you should be able to get your own job w/o having to pay someone no matter what the dues are. How do you know if I have been or not been a part of a union? I have worked with Ironworkers before and they are know in the trades as "laborers without brains". Just because you fall for that "we will take care of you" crap does not mean that all workers need someone to protect their job or have to pay to keep a job.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I can understand businesses wanting the cheapest payroll they can get, I will support unions to protect workers rights until something better comes along.
    So you have no faith in big government looking out for workers? I have no faith in big government at all.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    So you have no faith in big government looking out for workers? I have no faith in big government at all.
    Nope.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Speaking for the Ironworkers union again. The reason a company would pay a Trade Union member a higher wage to do a job is because it is skilled labor. Do you want someone with no knowledge of how to build a skyscraper or would you want someone who has gone through an apprenticeship and 4 years of school to do that job? .. Are you going to trust an illegal imigrant that you can pay 9 bucks an hour or would you rather have your building be structurally sound and pay them 32 dollars an hour?
    How strong are those "unions" who build skyscrapers in Mexico? How well do those "union ironworkers" get paid in Mexico? Or is it maybe they are not union ironworkers? Please tell me about all those "union ironworkers" in China or don't they build skyscrapers in China? Your "skilled" union ironworker claim is a joke. There are many countries that build skyscrapers w/o your self proclaimed "skilled union" workers.
    Last edited by Lakeside; 08-27-14 at 12:17 AM.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Nope.
    It is nice to hear a Liberal not having faith in big government.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I have worked two different factory jobs one without unions and one with unions. The union job is better. By about 100 miles. I do less and get paid more and the benefits are better. So yeah if you can go union do it.
    Now I get it. You used to be a conservative, when you had a non-union job. Now with your union job, your conservative card has been repealed and the best you can do is to be a moderate.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    It is nice to hear a Liberal not having faith in big government.
    I wish the government wasnt needed as much as it is used. If a more appropriate thread comes along I will express more of my wide variety of views.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    How strong are those "unions" who build skyscrapers in Mexico? How well do those "union ironworkers" get paid in Mexico? Or is it maybe they are not union ironworkers? Please tell me about all those "union ironworkers" in China or don't they build skyscrapers in China? Your "skilled" union ironworker claim is a joke. There are many countries that build skyscrapers w/o your self proclaimed "skilled union" workers.
    LoL name one country that builds skyscrapers without skilled workers.

    As a union ironworker you are required to have 5000 hours of non-paid schooling. Its a skilled trade regardless of your ignorance.

    And yes, there is Skilled Union workers in Mexico, China, all throughout Europe, even in the middle east. Learn a little before you rant.

    In fact the largest trade union in the world is in China.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Chi...f_Trade_Unions
    Last edited by OnWisconsin; 08-27-14 at 12:57 AM.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    So you have no faith in big government looking out for workers? I have no faith in big government at all.
    Big government tends to be in the pocket of big business. Conservative-led governments more than liberal-led governments, especially with respect to workers, but the latter is certainly not immune from being beholden to the almighty corporate dollar.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Big government tends to be in the pocket of big business. Conservative-led governments more than liberal-led governments, especially with respect to workers, but the latter is certainly not immune from being beholden to the almighty corporate dollar.
    Hillary Clinton come to mind? Ole Hilly worked for one of the biggest anti-union law firms in America. And when Hillary was on the WalMart Board of Directors she sat in on 33 anti-union board meetings. We all know that Bill and Hillary were owned by Sam.

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