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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Totally irrelevant to if they are still needed. If you want to start another thread I will discuss this though.



    Unions give the workers the ability to make companies follow those laws. Even now, for a worker to take a company to court for violation, they need a lawyer and that costs money. Unions also protect other things then what is covered by laws, ie the contract between the workers and management.



    Again, this is off topic.
    Off topic? I may have embellished a little, but any union talk is all about the economy in my eyes. Why would a company pay a union worker a higher wage when he can get an open border illegal to do the same job for a whole lot less money, hence economy.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Off topic? I may have embellished a little, but any union talk is all about the economy in my eyes. Why would a company pay a union worker a higher wage when he can get an open border illegal to do the same job for a whole lot less money, hence economy.
    That would be called a Red Hearing. The topic is about if America need unions not illegal immigration.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    That would be called a Red Hearing. The topic is about if America need unions not illegal immigration.
    It all comes down to the economy. So my answer is NO to unions being necessary to the economy. Their is cheaper labor available whether it be illegals or any unemployed American.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    It all comes down to the economy. So my answer is NO to unions being necessary to the economy. Their is cheaper labor available whether it be illegals or any unemployed American.
    That's closer but the question is about IN the economy rather than TO the economy.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    That's closer but the question is about IN the economy rather than TO the economy.
    My answer is still NO "in" this economy. There is cheaper labor either way.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    As a government worker I have experienced that my employers are almost as interested in short changing us, over-working us, underpaying us, taking away our benefits and ignoring our safety as private employers.
    As one of your employers (and also one of my employees, technically, as I do contract work for my state, through several layers of contractors....how's that for a mind****, I pay myself), assuming we're in the same state or that you work federal....

    I don't have much interest in short-changing, over-working, underpaying, taking away benefits, or ignoring your safety.

    So long as those things are at reasonable levels.

    And reasonable levels are in many cases NOT "what currently exists", let alone "what we would prefer" (spoken from the point of view of a public employee).
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Let me guess, you are a union worker. Did you vote for Obama? Will you vote for Hillary? What has Obama done for unions? Before you say that Obama has done more for unions than Republicans have done, please answer what he has done for unions. Hillary is a well known anti-union person. Unions are toast. Most people do not want to pay for a job. There are laws in place to protect workers. You even said it yourself about unions taking other unions jobs. Unions fell for the old Democratic lie like blacks did from the Democratic Slave Plantation.."Trust us, we know what is best for you". Obama used unions just as he did blacks to garner votes and then pissed on them. The borders are open and it won't be long before amnesty is given to illegals. These people come here to work and will gladly take those overpaid union jobs and will not strike and will be very happy to have a job at half if not less than what union workers are paid. Just my opinion, but you people who voted for Obama got used big time. OUCH. Peace.

    WTF are you talking about? Unions taking other unions jobs? I mentioned non-union sheet metal workers taking Union Ironworkers jobs for penny's on the dollar. Paying for a job? Are you talking about union dues? My union dues are like 50 bucks a month, and I make over 8000 a month. If an Ironworker has a problem with paying .6% of his monthly paycheck to cover administration costs then he doesn't need to be an Ironworker, go work at McDonalds for 9 bucks n hour. Why should anyone be happy to take a job for half the union job, when they can just join the union and make twice what they would make otherwise? Why, cause you have to pay union dues? Give me a break.


    I shouldn't have to ask the question.. I already know the answer. The reason is that you on the right get filled with so much misinformation and politicized nonsense about how horrible unions are and how they are dragging this country down. You've never actually been a part of one, and never actually learned a single thing about how they operate or how they benefit the people that are part of them. You just keep swallowing the same nonsense and lies that you hear and regurgitate them at me in the form of your previous post.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Off topic? I may have embellished a little, but any union talk is all about the economy in my eyes. Why would a company pay a union worker a higher wage when he can get an open border illegal to do the same job for a whole lot less money, hence economy.
    Speaking for the Ironworkers union again. The reason a company would pay a Trade Union member a higher wage to do a job is because it is skilled labor. Do you want someone with no knowledge of how to build a skyscraper or would you want someone who has gone through an apprenticeship and 4 years of school to do that job? .. Are you going to trust an illegal imigrant that you can pay 9 bucks an hour or would you rather have your building be structurally sound and pay them 32 dollars an hour?
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    My answer is still NO "in" this economy. There is cheaper labor either way.
    I can understand businesses wanting the cheapest payroll they can get, I will support unions to protect workers rights until something better comes along.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    As one of your employers (and also one of my employees, technically, as I do contract work for my state, through several layers of contractors....how's that for a mind****, I pay myself), assuming we're in the same state or that you work federal....

    I don't have much interest in short-changing, over-working, underpaying, taking away benefits, or ignoring your safety.

    So long as those things are at reasonable levels.

    And reasonable levels are in many cases NOT "what currently exists", let alone "what we would prefer" (spoken from the point of view of a public employee).
    I am glad you dont but there are a lot of supervisors that treat their workers like they are their little serfs.

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