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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually that is crap. Public sector unions are nothing but parasites given that public sector unions are not bargaining with their actual employers. In a private workplace setting management is on one side and wants labor at the cheapest cost and the union wants to maximize the cost of labor.

    in a public setting, the unions often supply critical votes for the people on the "other side" of the table and that leads to the taxpayers getting screwed.

    even FDR was against public sector unions
    Welcome to a republic. Elect better representatives (and by representative I mean the elected official who is representing the public). If that representative is the one elected then the majority of the people like the work t that representative is doing.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Welcome to a republic. Elect better representatives (and by representative I mean the elected official who is representing the public). If that representative is the one elected then the majority of the people like the work t that representative is doing.
    that does not support an argument in favor of public sector unions. Unlike private sector unions, public sector unions give the taxpayers absolutely nothing. They provide no training, and no guarantee of good work.



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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Just by posting your list you show another reason that unions are good, for the employees that are not capable or doesnt have enough time to understand all of those laws.
    That's the argument you're going with? Unions are necessary to inform workers about employment laws?

    Unions don't even bring up that these laws exist, and would prefer employees not know they do. It promotes the worker's false belief that it's because of the unions that these workplace protections continue to exist, even though it's actually due to federal law.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually that is crap. Public sector unions are nothing but parasites given that public sector unions are not bargaining with their actual employers. In a private workplace setting management is on one side and wants labor at the cheapest cost and the union wants to maximize the cost of labor.

    in a public setting, the unions often supply critical votes for the people on the "other side" of the table and that leads to the taxpayers getting screwed.
    Exactly right.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    ..and when the competition between the two companies comes down to one of them surviving and one of them closing it's doors, it will be the non-union shop that stays open and the union shop that closes.

    My issue with unions is that too often they fail to recognize that what is best for the company is normally best for the employee. The industry I work has seen substantial contraction over the last decade or so and the survivors (like us) have generally been the non-union shops.
    Well I left that job after a week and got a better non union job. 96 hours of vacation time and 20 hours sick leave! And it's even easier. Maybe my old company was just ran by assholes? The company I was at though by the way is one of the oldest factories in Florence. Been here since the 60s.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    That's the argument you're going with? Unions are necessary to inform workers about employment laws?

    Unions don't even bring up that these laws exist, and would prefer employees not know they do. It promotes the worker's false belief that it's because of the unions that these workplace protections continue to exist, even though it's actually due to federal law.

    Exactly right.
    Untrue, the talk about them all the time.

    http://www.aflcio.org/content/downlo...hapter%206.pdf

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    If one is under the assumption that unions were necessary to eliminate such travesties as child labor, I don't see how it could be logically put together that unions are no longer necessary in our economy. I'll admit that overall, working conditions and worker's rights are in a better state than they were in the early 20th century, but just looking at current working conditions and poverty rates in the U.S., if we can assume that unions were at one point a necessity, they are certainly a necessity. Ideally, they would be given a more active role in economic activity. Worker's rights are nowhere near won, and even once satisfactory or near-satisfactory conditions are in place, unions will still be needed to maintain them.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Why do we need unions when Obama is allowing illegals to come to America? These people will work for minimum wage and be very happy to have a job. Isn't that why they are coming here? But of course people will say that "capitalist" will take advantage of these poor illegals. Either way unions are a thing of the past. They WERE good when they were needed but we now have all those laws in place to protect employees. The great Obama has even passed laws for equal pay for women which his WH even refuses to follow. Their is NO true protection for anyone who works. I am working with union craft people now and 75% of them don't like or trust their unions. I could never understand why anyone would want to or have to pay someone to keep a job.
    If the Ironworkers union went away, wages for thousands of people would drop almost in half. It's happening already in many states where they are splintering off parts of the Ironworkers union to do the jobs they once did. For example, steel siding on industrial buildings was once an ironworker job in wisconsin. Now it is being passed to sheet metal workers who get paid a fraction of the wages. This does nothing but benefit big business and destroy the middle class.

    In the 1950's and 1960's we had very strong unionization in this country, we also had the strongest middle class we've ever had. My guess is because of a good live-able wage that the unions provided. Now we have a diminishing middle class and only a fraction of the unionization we once had.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    If the Ironworkers union went away, wages for thousands of people would drop almost in half. It's happening already in many states where they are splintering off parts of the Ironworkers union to do the jobs they once did. For example, steel siding on industrial buildings was once an ironworker job in wisconsin. Now it is being passed to sheet metal workers who get paid a fraction of the wages. This does nothing but benefit big business and destroy the middle class.

    In the 1950's and 1960's we had very strong unionization in this country, we also had the strongest middle class we've ever had. My guess is because of a good live-able wage that the unions provided. Now we have a diminishing middle class and only a fraction of the unionization we once had.
    Let me guess, you are a union worker. Did you vote for Obama? Will you vote for Hillary? What has Obama done for unions? Before you say that Obama has done more for unions than Republicans have done, please answer what he has done for unions. Hillary is a well known anti-union person. Unions are toast. Most people do not want to pay for a job. There are laws in place to protect workers. You even said it yourself about unions taking other unions jobs. Unions fell for the old Democratic lie like blacks did from the Democratic Slave Plantation.."Trust us, we know what is best for you". Obama used unions just as he did blacks to garner votes and then pissed on them. The borders are open and it won't be long before amnesty is given to illegals. These people come here to work and will gladly take those overpaid union jobs and will not strike and will be very happy to have a job at half if not less than what union workers are paid. Just my opinion, but you people who voted for Obama got used big time. OUCH. Peace.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Let me guess, you are a union worker. Did you vote for Obama? Will you vote for Hillary? What has Obama done for unions? Before you say that Obama has done more for unions than Republicans have done, please answer what he has done for unions. Hillary is a well known anti-union person.
    Totally irrelevant to if they are still needed. If you want to start another thread I will discuss this though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    Unions are toast. Most people do not want to pay for a job. There are laws in place to protect workers.
    Unions give the workers the ability to make companies follow those laws. Even now, for a worker to take a company to court for violation, they need a lawyer and that costs money. Unions also protect other things then what is covered by laws, ie the contract between the workers and management.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    You even said it yourself about unions taking other unions jobs. Unions fell for the old Democratic lie like blacks did from the Democratic Slave Plantation.."Trust us, we know what is best for you". Obama used unions just as he did blacks to garner votes and then pissed on them. The borders are open and it won't be long before amnesty is given to illegals. These people come here to work and will gladly take those overpaid union jobs and will not strike and will be very happy to have a job at half if not less than what union workers are paid. Just my opinion, but you people who voted for Obama got used big time. OUCH. Peace.
    Again, this is off topic.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    As a government worker I have experienced that my employers are almost as interested in short changing us, over-working us, underpaying us, taking away our benefits and ignoring our safety as private employers.

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