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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I guess I just havent worked in the right job sectors because no where I have worked supervisors had a fenced in parking lot. As far as bosses removeing people and they being reinstated, find the problem with the system and fix it instead of getting rid of unions. Again, I dont disagree that some things done by unions rise to the level of ridiculous but I have seen and experienced supervisors that play with the employees lives just because they can.

    if you want to attract, and more importantly, keep good employees, playing games with employees lives isnt the way

    i made a LOT of mistakes as a manager in my first 5-10 years.....but never that type of mistake

    there isnt a handbook of what to do, and what not to do for new supervisors

    so they make mistakes....the smart ones learn from them, and try not to make the same type of mistake again

    some people do get on power trips.....love the title, but hate the job type of managers

    most of those are weeded out fairly quickly nowadays.....too much litigation in the workplace

    companies cant afford guys like that on the payroll
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    It is when the discussion is about what unions affect, since they dont affect who becomes a supervisor. A more appropriate comparison would be a new position comes available that falls into the group they can represent., the union wouldnt just want the most senior person to get the position, they would want the most qualified person. If two people have the same qualifications then seniority would factor in.
    The union doesn't need to police this, and shouldn't be able to. Management already has incentives to hire the best candidate for each job. Basic regulations against nepotism and fraud and other clearly abusive hiring practices, okay, but union micro-management is fundamentally not necessary, rather it is harmfully wasteful and redundant.

    I wouldnt argue that unions may need a major overhaul but there is still a use for them. If another way to ensure workers arent exploited comes along, I would definately look into them.
    They already came along.

    Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)
    Occupational Safety and Health (OSH) Act
    Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA)
    Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC)
    Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
    Davis-Bacon Act
    Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA)
    Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
    Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA)
    McNamara-O'Hara Service Contract Act
    Walsh-Healey Public Contracts Act
    Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP)
    Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (MSPA)
    Federal Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977
    Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN)
    Employment and Training Administration (ETA)
    Civil Rights Act
    Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
    Veterans' Employment and Training Service (VETS)
    Employee Polygraph Protection Act
    Consumer Credit Protection Act (CPCA)
    Longshore and Harbor Workers' Compensation Act (LHWCA)
    Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act (EEOICPA)
    Federal Employees' Compensation Act (FECA)
    Black Lung Benefits Act (BLBA)
    Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)

    Department of Labor

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    "Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?"

    Definately; No!

    Especially in the public sector__Unions are simply bad on so many levels!

    The crime and corruption alone dwarfs any benefits they claim responsibility for!
    When a crime is ignored ~ it becomes flagrant;
    When a crime is rewarded ~ it becomes epidemic:

    No Amnesty No Exception

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    the ones that actually teach a trade and guarantee the quality of work are useful. scumbag unions like AFSCME or SEIU are not only not needed, but should be abolished. They are nothing more than parasites upon the tax payers



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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The union doesn't need to police this, and shouldn't be able to. Management already has incentives to hire the best candidate for each job. Basic regulations against nepotism and fraud and other clearly abusive hiring practices, okay, but union micro-management is fundamentally not necessary, rather it is harmfully wasteful and redundant.



    They already came along.

    Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)
    Occupational Safety and Health (OSH) Act
    Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA)
    Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC)
    Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
    Davis-Bacon Act
    Employee Benefits Security Administration (EBSA)
    Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
    Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA)
    McNamara-O'Hara Service Contract Act
    Walsh-Healey Public Contracts Act
    Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP)
    Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural Worker Protection Act (MSPA)
    Federal Mine Safety and Health Act of 1977
    Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN)
    Employment and Training Administration (ETA)
    Civil Rights Act
    Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
    Veterans' Employment and Training Service (VETS)
    Employee Polygraph Protection Act
    Consumer Credit Protection Act (CPCA)
    Longshore and Harbor Workers' Compensation Act (LHWCA)
    Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act (EEOICPA)
    Federal Employees' Compensation Act (FECA)
    Black Lung Benefits Act (BLBA)
    Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)

    Department of Labor
    Just by posting your list you show another reason that unions are good, for the employees that are not capable or doesnt have enough time to understand all of those laws.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    "Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?"

    Definately; No!

    Especially in the public sector__Unions are simply bad on so many levels!

    The crime and corruption alone dwarfs any benefits they claim responsibility for!
    Provide an alternative to unions or fix the problem but dont get rid of them without a replacement system.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Many people often claim that labor and trade unions are no longer needed, because "safety regulations, fair wages, days off, 8 hour work day, and child labor" have already been won. They claim because of this labor, and trade unions are no longer needed. My question is: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?
    There's never anything to stop these benefits from being chipped away at. Except unions, of course.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the ones that actually teach a trade and guarantee the quality of work are useful. scumbag unions like AFSCME or SEIU are not only not needed, but should be abolished. They are nothing more than parasites upon the tax payers
    Public sector needs to be protected just as much as the private sector.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Public sector needs to be protected just as much as the private sector.
    actually that is crap. Public sector unions are nothing but parasites given that public sector unions are not bargaining with their actual employers. In a private workplace setting management is on one side and wants labor at the cheapest cost and the union wants to maximize the cost of labor.

    in a public setting, the unions often supply critical votes for the people on the "other side" of the table and that leads to the taxpayers getting screwed.

    even FDR was against public sector unions



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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the ones that actually teach a trade and guarantee the quality of work are useful. scumbag unions like AFSCME or SEIU are not only not needed, but should be abolished. They are nothing more than parasites upon the tax payers
    That would be a guild, not a union. Nothing wrong with guilds. In fact, we should change all unions to them. Instead of a company hiring individuals, they hire a guild to provide X number of hours of labor for a particular skill. The guilds would take care of training, apprenticeships, benefits and pay. The company gets the work it needs and if the workers don't get what they want, they can corrupt and destroy their own guild instead of a company.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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