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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    worker's rights are posted in every workplace

    there are posters mandated by state and federal law that spell out employee rights

    they are even bilingual...in english and spanish

    i dont know of a business that has over 25 employees that hasnt hired an attorney to make sure some sort of handbook is written up

    do you really think that "employees" dont know their rights, or benefits anymore?
    And none of those legal rights ensure there overtime is distributed evenly. Or if you cut hours because of lack of work that is distributed evenly. Or that Vacation is offered equally. Or that parking is distributed evenly........

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I agree. However, as evidenced in the public sector, the government is already deciding whether people must join a union. That is a problem, considering the economic harm unions have carried over from the private sector, and put in the laps of tax payers in the public sector. There is no coincidence cities are going bankrupt under the weight of public sector pensions and benefits. They did the same thing in the private sector.
    On the Federal level, that would be no, they dont have to join the Union.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    On the Federal level, that would be no, they dont have to join the Union.
    The Fed is a minor player in the grand scheme of public employee union membership.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    And none of those legal rights ensure there overtime is distributed evenly. Or if you cut hours because of lack of work that is distributed evenly. Or that Vacation is offered equally. Or that parking is distributed evenly........
    Many things cannot be distributed evenly. If a managerial job comes open, they can't give the job to every applicant evenly. Simple provisions of employment-related legislation can instruct employers to aim for a reasonable standard of fairness and avoid favoritism. But there is no way to mandate across-the-board equality in the workplace without creating massive inefficiencies having to revisit decisions endlessly, and so it does no good that unions would try to police this throughout the economy.

    As it is, unions typically do not support equality and even distribution among their own ranks. They want special treatment on the basis of seniority, and beyond that their only real priority is their own members (at the expense of all non-members).

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    And none of those legal rights ensure there overtime is distributed evenly. Or if you cut hours because of lack of work that is distributed evenly. Or that Vacation is offered equally. Or that parking is distributed evenly........

    how much of a nanny state do you want?

    vacations are spelled out in every handbook i have ever read

    parking? are you kidding me?

    omg....and people wonder why union favorability is falling at an extreme pace
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Many things cannot be distributed evenly. If a managerial job comes open, they can't give the job to every applicant evenly. Simple provisions of employment-related legislation can instruct employers to aim for a reasonable standard of fairness and avoid favoritism. But there is no way to mandate across-the-board equality in the workplace without creating massive inefficiencies having to revisit decisions endlessly, and so it does no good that unions would try to police this throughout the economy.

    As it is, unions typically do not support equality and even distribution among their own ranks. They want special treatment on the basis of seniority, and beyond that their only real priority is their own members (at the expense of all non-members).
    I don't entirely agree with that. Their real priority is union management/leadership, in other words themselves, and the members are simply a means to that end.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    how much of a nanny state do you want?

    vacations are spelled out in every handbook i have ever read

    parking? are you kidding me?

    omg....and people wonder why union favorability is falling at an extreme pace
    I dont want a nanny state. I dont want laws regulating these things. These are the job of the union. Just because something is spelled out in a manual doesnt mean they have any force without laws behind them. The non-union jobs I have had didnt distribute the choice of when to take vacation evenly at all. The boses favorite people got to take their vacation whenever they wanted to and could walk in and get the next day off and the people who werent had to ask for vacation two weeks in advance.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Many things cannot be distributed evenly. If a managerial job comes open, they can't give the job to every applicant evenly. Simple provisions of employment-related legislation can instruct employers to aim for a reasonable standard of fairness and avoid favoritism. But there is no way to mandate across-the-board equality in the workplace without creating massive inefficiencies having to revisit decisions endlessly, and so it does no good that unions would try to police this throughout the economy.

    As it is, unions typically do not support equality and even distribution among their own ranks. They want special treatment on the basis of seniority, and beyond that their only real priority is their own members (at the expense of all non-members).
    The managerial job thing is a strawman to my point because I didnt mention it and know the union has no control over it. Yes, seniority is a good way to determine things.

    I will have to admit, in a lot of open shops the union will only fight for their members, but why shouldnt they. Their members are who joined the union and paid the dues of the union.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I dont want a nanny state. I dont want laws regulating these things. These are the job of the union. Just because something is spelled out in a manual doesnt mean they have any force without laws behind them. The non-union jobs I have had didnt distribute the choice of when to take vacation evenly at all. The boses favorite people got to take their vacation whenever they wanted to and could walk in and get the next day off and the people who werent had to ask for vacation two weeks in advance.
    So the moral of the story is, if one applies themselves they could become a favorite of the boss too. Never a good thing to be the bosses least favorite.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So the moral of the story is, if one applies themselves they could become a favorite of the boss too. Never a good thing to be the bosses least favorite.
    A person shouldnt have to be an a$$ kisser to get treated fairly.

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