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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    We raised a lot of money and sold out the last couple shows, but the lions share came from a single donor and replacement of the director was a condition.

    She cited the failure to even contact other opera companies which have dealt successfully with similar problems. We had people from them fly in at their own expense to talk about how they went about it.

    Had to go over the directors head to even hold additional meetings on the subject.
    Awesome story. Good for you. People should be exposed to opera and it looks like you good people are making sure that happens. Bad management has a huge impact on any operation, no matter the venue.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I really would like to hear more about the "utopia" that some envision for our future. It might enlighten us if they have some good ideas. All I hear is discontent with something that has made us into the greatest country the world has ever known, and it sounds more like wishful thinking than reality, but I haven't heard their arguments for changing things to be what they think is best. Why do I never hear why they feel we need a change? "Because we know best" isn't going to work without hearing some facts, since most of us passed childhood a long time ago, when those words had some meaning! Sorry....
    I know it looks like a cliché, but there is absolute truth regarding the efforts of the Progressive Machine. It's all about social, economic, and environmental justice. A one world government is the objective, of which the principles this country was founded on has little place.

    It will fail, but it will take time for this to run it's course. I know I've posted this before, but consider the mindset of the nation when Progressives pushed through prohibition. How was it possible to get so many people on board such a completely crazy idea? Somehow they did, and the result was a disaster, just like the Progressives run is proving to be this time. The country survived then, and it will survive this.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    How is that really different from corporate CEOs and shareholders?
    Because they won't sacrifice the entire company to get theirs. They have this understanding that their income comes from the company, a point that unions too often forget.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    And Corporations are NOT selfish, greedy, and only look out for their own best interest?? , yea it's a 2 way street, and save all of your self righteous BS, how many others have used their intellect, and hard work and put in 5-10-15-20 years, only to be put on the street because of some at will employment BS, where they can fire you anytime they want, even if they don't like you, or the color of your skin..
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    Corporations are supposed to be greedy, selfish and look out for their best interests - that's how they stay in business. If they have to sacrifice 100 jobs to keep the other 1,000, they will. But a union will sacrifice the whole 1,100 in order to get a concession that can kill a company.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    Say how are your really smart and "educated" computer workers doing in your non union, "successful" system????????/

    Seems not so well................LMAO


    Revealed: Apple and Google’s wage-fixing cartel involved dozens more companies, over one million employees | PandoDaily

    And the judge just tossed the $400 million settlement as TO LOW...........
    Actually, I know a couple that are doing quite well.

    Still don't see your complaint other than you think something should be given instead of earned.

    As to the wage fixing thing, tough **** for one, for another, how much of it would of been done if there had actually been competition in the market place? How many new companies have been able to startup since those two achieved a near monopoly? We need to loosen regulations and reduce costs so more companies can be started to increase the level of competition, not add more laws to "punish the evil corporations" that actually hurt them very little but suppress any real competition rising up.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    A distributist state ?

    You mean a Centrally planned demand economy where each is given according to his needs ?

    Where oligarchs are the arbiter of equity and fairness ?

    That's been tried with expected results over and over and over.

    The only question I have is why on earth would anyone still support such a system ?
    IOW, you don't know what distributism is.

    Wikipedia is your friend:

    Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Distributism is much more decentralized than either Capitalism or Socialism.

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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Labor unions are still good, in every sector (even the public), in protecting worker's rights. Not everything is covered by OSHA. For example, making sure overtime is passed around equaly; vacation is distributed evenly and fairly; the punishment fits the infraction.

    worker's rights are posted in every workplace

    there are posters mandated by state and federal law that spell out employee rights

    they are even bilingual...in english and spanish

    i dont know of a business that has over 25 employees that hasnt hired an attorney to make sure some sort of handbook is written up

    do you really think that "employees" dont know their rights, or benefits anymore?
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    As noted by the former President of UAW, private sector unions have not taken the economic health of the employer into account. GM and Chrysler are great examples of this disconnect. The important point is that the labor unions in the private sector can either be partners in a companies efforts, or they can make their membership unemployed.

    This is not the case in the public sector.
    Whether or not it is good for the economy is irrelevant. Eventually society will get to the point where it weeds out the bad demands and the economy will self correct. It is not the job of the government to step in and tell the people they cannot for unions.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You have that first part wrong and that's where the system breaks. It's the government people have a responsibility to change. Government regulates business.
    Government meddles in business and acts as a placebo to make the American people feel better about it, while actually protecting us from nothing. In a society where the people drive the market, that is where the people are really protected.
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    Re: Are Labor and Trade Unions Still Necessary in Our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Whether or not it is good for the economy is irrelevant. Eventually society will get to the point where it weeds out the bad demands and the economy will self correct. It is not the job of the government to step in and tell the people they cannot for unions.
    I agree. However, as evidenced in the public sector, the government is already deciding whether people must join a union. That is a problem, considering the economic harm unions have carried over from the private sector, and put in the laps of tax payers in the public sector. There is no coincidence cities are going bankrupt under the weight of public sector pensions and benefits. They did the same thing in the private sector.

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