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    13 27.66%
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    0 0%
  • Im not American, yes.

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    1 2.13%
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    2 4.26%
  • Im a right leaning American, they are exactly the same as Republicans.

    8 17.02%
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    10 21.28%
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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Except that the US was not a Liberal democracy up until FDR and didn't fully transition until Kennedy/Johnson.
    Whether that's true or not is irrelevant to my reply to your earlier comment. You claimed: "[ . . .] Want to compare achievements, standards of living or technological advancements of leftist leaning countries to others? Oh, wait, there are no others left, the us has turned leftist and is failing." Today's liberal democracies have by far the highest standards of living and rates of innovation in the world, thus proving your point null.

    I'll take you up on the tangential point because you're again wrong. The U.S was always a liberal democracy, whereby 'liberal democracy' is defined as it traditionally is. As far as I recall we've always had a model of representative government and our constitution has always guaranteed the protection of the individual, both of which are defining features of liberal democracies.

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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ah. Someone who is so black and white that he believes that only communism or socialism are left leaning. Well, since we've never actually seen a pure communist or socialist government (they all become authoritarian, a right wing ideology) your premise about their failure is correct, but about them being left leaning is not.
    How is authoritarianism "right wing"? Sounds like something a leftist ideologue would say.

    Yes, all leftist are socialist to varying degrees. Republicans, or what some presume is the "right" are mostly, but not exclusively, corporatist aka corporate socialist which is just socialism but with corporations running things instead of individuals.
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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, there are quite a few who are only left leaning and not fully socialist. Mexico, Panama, Philippines, etc, etc. Or lets see, how about Sierra Leone who has a 70% poverty rate and cannot even provide it's own doctors and specialist to treat a minor epidemic.
    And I never said that ALL left leaning countries were successful. Some are, some aren't. Same with right leaning countries. Of course, this also depends on how one defines "left leaning" or "right leaning".
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Except that the US was not a Liberal democracy up until FDR and didn't fully transition until Kennedy/Johnson.
    Actually, in the classical sense of the word, the US was originally very liberal.

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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brouwer View Post
    Whether that's true or not is irrelevant to my reply to your earlier comment. You claimed: "[ . . .] Want to compare achievements, standards of living or technological advancements of leftist leaning countries to others? Oh, wait, there are no others left, the us has turned leftist and is failing." Today's liberal democracies have by far the highest standards of living and rates of innovation in the world, thus proving your point null.

    I'll take you up on the tangential point because you're again wrong. The U.S was always a liberal democracy, whereby 'liberal democracy' is defined as it traditionally is. As far as I recall we've always had a model of representative government and our constitution has always guaranteed the protection of the individual, both of which are defining features of liberal democracies.
    Which would then lead to the conclusion that there are no Liberal Democracies any more in the world as, by your definition, they would have to care and work towards individual rights and liberties. Only Social Democracies are left.

    Next time you want to use Liberal in a traditional since, please say so. Liberal today means socialist too dumb to know it or to ashamed to admit it.
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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Actually, in the classical sense of the word, the US was originally very liberal.
    Noted, see post #35.
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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How is authoritarianism "right wing"? Sounds like something a leftist ideologue would say.

    Yes, all leftist are socialist to varying degrees. Republicans, or what some presume is the "right" are mostly, but not exclusively, corporatist aka corporate socialist which is just socialism but with corporations running things instead of individuals.
    How is corporations running everything even remotely socialist?

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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How is authoritarianism "right wing"? Sounds like something a leftist ideologue would say.
    Your comments sounds like something are right wing ideologue would say. Extreme leftwing ideology tends to be based on shared power. Look at both socialism and communism for reference. The opposite of this would be power in the hands of the few, which is what we see with extreme right wing ideology.

    Yes, all leftist are socialist to varying degrees. Republicans, or what some presume is the "right" are mostly, but not exclusively, corporatist aka corporate socialist which is just socialism but with corporations running things instead of individuals.
    No, not all left wing ideology is socialist to some degree. I would imagine that your definition of socialist is far too broad to be accurately applied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Which would then lead to the conclusion that there are no Liberal Democracies any more in the world as, by your definition, they would have to care and work towards individual rights and liberties. Only Social Democracies are left.
    The current model of governance that pervades through the West ensures the protection of the individual under their respective supreme laws, hence liberal democracies still exist. Social democracies are by definition liberal democracies.

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    Re: Are Democrats more corrupt than Republicans?

    I don`t think it matters too much about party affiliation, the very nature of congress, gerrymandering lobbyin,g and citizens united makes it so that both parties MUST engage in corrupt behaviour (which conveniently became legalized) to remain competitive.

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