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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Here's a scenario I've often wondered about.

    Scenario #1: Mary gets a speeding ticket from a camera enforcement system. Mary was traveling 67 in a 55 on an open highway. Mary is fined $100 and get no points on her driving record.

    Scenario #2: Jane gets a speeding ticket from a live cop. Jane was traveling 67 in a 55 on an open highway. Jane is fined $100 AND gets 2 points on her driving record.

    Both women are white, so there's no gender and/or race issues here. Both tickets occur in the same jurisdiction. No school zones or construction zones or anything other to worry about. There is nothing whatsoever to differentiate the two, except that one was issued via camera enforcement, and the other was issued vie a live cop. As I understand it, the only reason Mary gets no points is because the camera cannot testify against her, so it is categorized as a civil infraction instead.

    Here's the question: Can Jane legitimately argue to the court for her punishment to be reduced to equal Mary's... $100 fine with no points... based on "equal treatment under the law"?

    I don't see why not. Same crime. Should be same penalties, I would think.
    well the law is that.. no one is above the law.

    when it comes to driving. traffic police can ticket one person and give a warning to another for the same offense.

    but the government cannot pass laws [and in that law]make it possible for 1 person, or group of people not adhere to the law, and make the rest of the population adhere.....that is equality under the law.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I know what you're doing here, but you're stepping ahead of your own question. You asked about "equality under the law". The law is written and enforced by government, not people as individuals, so at this point you have rendered your own question moot. But, yes, I get that some people believe it applies to people as individuals as well.

    Now, having said that, laws can be written requiring that people as individuals treat other people as individuals equal, but that's not technically the same thing. The concept of "equality under the law" regards how laws are applied, not necessarily what the laws are.

    on this board when I have gotten into equality of the law, and people have given me a strange interpretation.

    they explain it something like this----- government create laws for the people and these are created to see people are treated equality by other people in dealings they have with them.

    or coarse this is incorrect, it is government that must treat all people equally, .....not citizens.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I only disagree [to the bold].depending on how the money is collected, if it is by force, then its not legal, if collected thru a voluntary tax say consumption, then I am fine with it.

    as far as a business has long as it does not violate rights of the people or the public health and safety I have no problem with it.
    We're pretty much on the same page. Almost all services to the 'poor' at the local level are usually via public referendum or voting on bond issues or whatever. In other words the community has input into what they wish the city to do. That is what I mean about the liberty to form whatever sort of society the people wish to have. That may not be to some people's liking but those who seriously object can choose a different community more to their liking or move to a remote location where they won't be obligated to participate in any kind of mandatory community decisions. Social contract is tougher to do democratically at the state level, especially in the larger states, though it can be done. And at the federal level it is nigh onto impossible without stripping people of their unalienable rights and liberties plus there is the problem that there is no place to go to escape federal law without leaving the country and losing all our unalienable rights and liberties.
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    To me, equality under the law means that the law is applied equally to every individual.

    That said, equality under the law loses much of it's meaning if the law itself is not just.

    As an example, take two laws:

    A law stating that a person who is defined as "black" may not own land in a given area.
    A law stating that an adult is not allowed to have sex with a minor.

    Now, obviously, the first is racist and unjust, while the second is reasonable and just (IMO of course).

    However if you stretch the meaning of "equal under the law", it could be argued that a pedophile is discriminated against because he/she is not allowed to freely express his/her sexual desires, unlike hetrosexual, homosexual, and bisexual persons.

    This of course disregards the point of the law, which is to prevent abuse of minors. Which makes it just.
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    To me, equality under the law means that the law is applied equally to every individual.

    That said, equality under the law loses much of it's meaning if the law itself is not just.

    As an example, take two laws:

    A law stating that a person who is defined as "black" may not own land in a given area.
    A law stating that an adult is not allowed to have sex with a minor.

    Now, obviously, the first is racist and unjust, while the second is reasonable and just (IMO of course).

    However if you stretch the meaning of "equal under the law", it could be argued that a pedophile is discriminated against because he/she is not allowed to freely express his/her sexual desires, unlike hetrosexual, homosexual, and bisexual persons.

    This of course disregards the point of the law, which is to prevent abuse of minors. Which makes it just.
    i think the true meaning of the law is being missed....

    but the government cannot pass laws [and in that law] make it possible for 1 person, or group of people not adhere to the law, and make the rest of the population adhere.....that is equality under the law.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    BUT by whom?
    By the courts.
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well i agree however i belive it has been taken to the extrem, where some believe becuase they did not recive the same treatment or product, that another peson recevied....they some how have had their rights violated.
    Well we should not allow people to be treated unjustly. On the other hand you can't expect to get an "A" on a test SIMPLY because someone else got an "A."

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    By the courts.
    it was not that kind of question.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well we should not allow people to be treated unjustly. On the other hand you can't expect to get an "A" on a test SIMPLY because someone else got an "A."
    well you cant rob, cheat, defraud, people because that is a rights violation.

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