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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since I said I don't want to put any words in your mouth, then I didn't say you said anything.

    I made the point, that the law [the OP] deals with governments and not people.
    ok so your addition was meaningless to my statement, the 14th and has no impact, thanks got it
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ok so your addition was meaningless to my statement, the 14th and has no impact, thanks got it
    no... it had meaning....

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no... it had meaning....
    no to anything i actually said or the 14th it didnt lol
    if you disagree simply tell me how it CHANGES or IMPACTS my statement or the 14
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    no to anything i actually said or the 14th it didnt lol
    if you disagree simply tell me how it CHANGES or IMPACTS my statement or the 14

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well it doesnt matter what i or others think it it only what it actually is and thats equal treatment/protection by/of law and rights

    civil rights and discrimination laws are a perfect example. it doesnt make person A and B equal it simply means the laws that protect them and their rights are equal.
    the bold is what I found to be vague.

    the 14th I posted, does not deal in person A and person B in any form together, but deals in ......government and the person.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    1.)the bold is what I found to be vague.
    2.)the 14th I posted, does not deal in person A and person B in any form together, but deals in ......government and the person.
    1.) nothing vague about it, i very specially said their rights.
    2.) yes you pointed that out the first time and I also noticed it the first time, neither does my statement, hence why it has no impact. thanks again for proving your addition has not impact to the 14th or my statement

    maybe in your next post you can tell me how it changes or impacts what i said or the 14th,unless of course you see the fact now that it doesnt
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) nothing vague about it, i very specially said their rights.
    2.) yes you pointed that out the first time and I also noticed it the first time, neither does my statement, hence why it has no impact. thanks again for proving your addition has not impact to the 14th or my statement

    maybe in your next post you can tell me how it changes or impacts what i said or the 14th,unless of course you see the fact now that it doesnt
    well I stated your post end was vague......meaning I really did not understand its meaning....

    my post was meant to state the..... interaction of government and a person only....under equality of the law.

    so I did not counter your post in any way,..... it simply had no clear meaning to me.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well I stated your post end was vague......meaning I really did not understand its meaning....

    my post was meant to state the..... interaction of government and a person only....under equality of the law.

    so I did not counter your post in any way,..... it simply had no clear meaning to me.
    thank you for explaining your confusion, as i said, your addition had not impact to my statement or the 14th, you simply didnt understand. thanks again.
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so if I have you correct, it is government that is supposed to treat everyone equal, not the people.
    I know what you're doing here, but you're stepping ahead of your own question. You asked about "equality under the law". The law is written and enforced by government, not people as individuals, so at this point you have rendered your own question moot. But, yes, I get that some people believe it applies to people as individuals as well.

    Now, having said that, laws can be written requiring that people as individuals treat other people as individuals equal, but that's not technically the same thing. The concept of "equality under the law" regards how laws are applied, not necessarily what the laws are.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Equal protection

    equal protection: an overview

    The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.

    A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights

    Equal protection | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute
    Here's a scenario I've often wondered about.

    Scenario #1: Mary gets a speeding ticket from a camera enforcement system. Mary was traveling 67 in a 55 on an open highway. Mary is fined $100 and get no points on her driving record.

    Scenario #2: Jane gets a speeding ticket from a live cop. Jane was traveling 67 in a 55 on an open highway. Jane is fined $100 AND gets 2 points on her driving record.

    Both women are white, so there's no gender and/or race issues here. Both tickets occur in the same jurisdiction. No school zones or construction zones or anything other to worry about. There is nothing whatsoever to differentiate the two, except that one was issued via camera enforcement, and the other was issued vie a live cop. As I understand it, the only reason Mary gets no points is because the camera cannot testify against her, so it is categorized as a civil infraction instead.

    Here's the question: Can Jane legitimately argue to the court for her punishment to be reduced to equal Mary's... $100 fine with no points... based on "equal treatment under the law"?

    I don't see why not. Same crime. Should be same penalties, I would think.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    I take the phrase to mean that everyone, regardless of race, gender and class (as well as other characteristics), is entitled to equal protection under the law, and that the law shall be applied equally to all citizens living within its bounds.

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