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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well I believe you are correct.

    some people do get out of not having to be subject to the law, ..because who they are, or how much money they have......or coarse this is a great wrong in our society.
    We agree here. No problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    but to be clear equality under the law, is not to be used by government to force one person to treat another person equally.
    I'm not so sure I agree with you here. If by this you mean that the government cannot force me to treat someone else's kid equally as I do my own. Yes I agree. If by that you mean that the government cannot force me to give my merchandise to a person who WILL NOT give me money in return, like I would someone that does, I agree. If by that you mean that the government cannot force me to treat a girl who I am not attracted to the same as I would one that I am attracted to, I agree.

    IF however by that you mean that the government cannot force states to allow equal access to public schools between blacks and whites, I have a very, very big problem with that.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    well it doesnt matter what i or others think it it only what it actually is and thats equal treatment/protection by/of law and rights

    civil rights and discrimination laws are a perfect example. it doesnt make person A and B equal it simply means the laws that protect them and their rights are equal.
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by mildsteel View Post
    we agree here. No problem.



    I'm not so sure i agree with you here. If by this you mean that the government cannot force me to treat someone else's kid equally as i do my own. Yes i agree. If by that you mean that the government cannot force me to give my merchandise to a person who will not give me money in return, like i would someone that does, i agree. If by that you mean that the government cannot force me to treat a girl who i am not attracted to the same as i would one that i am attracted to, i agree.

    If however by that you mean that the government cannot force states to allow equal access to public schools between blacks and whites, i have a very, very big problem with that.
    anytime government makes you [a citizen] do things against your will.........and you on the other hand have not violated the natural rights of another person or the health and saftey of the public......then government is not securing your rights.

    Governments...... Must treat everyone equally......

    People..................dont have to treat everyone equally.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well it doesnt matter what i or others think it it only what it actually is and thats equal treatment/protection by/of law and rights

    civil rights and discrimination laws are a perfect example. it doesnt make person A and B equal it simply means the laws that protect them and their rights are equal.
    but this below does not have anything to do with person [A] how he treats person [B]

    Equal protection

    equal protection: an overview

    The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.

    A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anytime government makes you [a citizen] do things against your will.........and you on the other hand have not violated the natural rights of another person or the health and saftey of the public......then government is not securing your rights.

    Governments...... Must treat everyone equally......

    People..................dont have to treat everyone equally.
    I totally agree that people don't have to treat everyone equally. That would be chaos.

    Having said that, the devil is in the details of the interpretation of when a persons natural rights have been violated and exactly what actions constitute a danger to the health and safety of the public.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by mildsteel View Post
    i totally agree that people don't have to treat everyone equally. That would be chaos.

    Having said that, the devil is in the details of the interpretation of when a persons natural rights have been violated and exactly what actions constitute a danger to the health and safety of the public.
    well i agree however i belive it has been taken to the extrem, where some believe becuase they did not recive the same treatment or product, that another peson recevied....they some how have had their rights violated.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    but this below does not have anything to do with person [A] how he treats person [B]

    Equal protection

    equal protection: an overview

    The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.

    A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights
    uhm you just repeated in long form what i already said?

    weird, can you point out in my post where I referred to how person a "treats" person b? what are you misunderstanding?

    I have no clue what you are trying to say and what posting in the long form what I already said changes anything. That is the equal protection clause (snip) and its does what i said it does?

    you seem to have simply repeated it, what do think you stated differently?

    please explain thank you
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    uhm you just repeated in long form what i already said?

    weird, can you point out in my post where I referred to how person a "treats" person b? what are you misunderstanding?

    I have no clue what you are trying to say and what posting in the long form what I already said changes anything. That is the equal protection clause (snip) and its does what i said it does?

    you seem to have simply repeated it, what do think you stated differently?

    please explain thank you

    I don't want to put any words in your mouth at all.

    all I am saying is one citizen does not have to treat another equally....governments do they are required to by constitutional law.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I don't want to put any words in your mouth at all.

    all I am saying is one citizen does not have to treat another equally....governments do they are required to by constitutional law.
    again how does that point change anything I said, what is your motivation for saying it when it has zero impact to my statement?
    were just adding an additional meaningless 2 cents that could of been added anywhere?

    Im just curious to why you think applies? this was my statement (which was exactly what the 14th does)
    "it doesnt matter what i or others think it it only what it actually is and thats equal treatment/protection by/of law and rights
    civil rights and discrimination laws are a perfect example. it doesnt make person A and B equal it simply means the laws that protect them and their rights are equal."

    saying people dont have to treat eachother equally has no barring on my statement, do you agree with that fact?
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again how does that point change anything I said, what is your motivation for saying it when it has zero impact to my statement?
    were just adding an additional meaningless 2 cents that could of been added anywhere?

    Im just curious to why you think applies? this was my statement (which was exactly what the 14th does)
    "it doesnt matter what i or others think it it only what it actually is and thats equal treatment/protection by/of law and rights
    civil rights and discrimination laws are a perfect example. it doesnt make person A and B equal it simply means the laws that protect them and their rights are equal."

    saying people dont have to treat eachother equally has no barring on my statement, do you agree with that fact?
    since I said I don't want to put any words in your mouth, then I didn't say you said anything.

    I made the point, that the law [the OP] deals with governments and not people.

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