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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the way I have found it to be is government, local, state or federal government must treat everyone equal under the laws they [government] create.

    people do not have to treat other people equal because they don't make laws, .....of coarse that does not mean I can violate others rights in any way.
    And I support the Founders that the state and local governments can be more discriminatory so as to allow the liberty for the people for form whatever sorts of societies they wish to have. When government assumes the power to dictate that, then there is no individual liberty. So if the state or local government, with the people's consent, wishes to help the poor, it should be able to do so even though that discriminates against the un poor. If the state or local government wish to forbid certain kinds of businesses it should be able to do so--something that would not be appropriate for the federal government that must treat everybody equally to do. If the local historical society wishes to protect a certain landmark or structure, it should be able to do so with consent of the people while such is entirely inappropriate for an impartial federal government to do.
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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I personally do not see why we need mention race or gender in any law.
    You deny racism exists in the US?

    You fail to understand hate crime law?

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And I support the Founders that the state and local governments can be more discriminatory so as to allow the liberty for the people for form whatever sorts of societies they wish to have. When government assumes the power to dictate that, then there is no individual liberty. So if the state or local government, with the people's consent, wishes to help the poor, it should be able to do so even though that discriminates against the un poor. If the state or local government wish to forbid certain kinds of businesses it should be able to do so--something that would not be appropriate for the federal government that must treat everybody equally to do. If the local historical society wishes to protect a certain landmark or structure, it should be able to do so with consent of the people while such is entirely inappropriate for an impartial federal government to do.
    I only disagree [to the bold].depending on how the money is collected, if it is by force, then its not legal, if collected thru a voluntary tax say consumption, then I am fine with it.

    as far as a business has long as it does not violate rights of the people or the public health and safety I have no problem with it.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    It's ridiculous to think laws can make all people equal. On the other hand, it is naive to think that the laws are applied to all citizens equally.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Equal protection

    equal protection: an overview

    The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV. In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances.

    A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights


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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It's ridiculous to think laws can make all people equal. On the other hand, it is naive to think that the laws are applied to all citizens equally.
    all its means is government cannot create a law,...and make it apply to some people and not others.......the law must apply to everyone.....its a simple meaning.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You deny racism exists in the US?

    You fail to understand hate crime law?
    No. Are you implying that preferential treatment be given to certain segments of the population based on race according to the law?


    Hate crime legislation is stupid **** as far as I am concerned.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    all its means is government cannot create a law,...and make it apply to some people and not others.......the law must apply to everyone.....its a simple meaning.
    That's ok. It does not contradict my point. What I am saying is that in practical terms, the law is not applied to all citizens equally. That is fact.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That's ok. It does not contradict my point. What I am saying is that in practical terms, the law is not applied to all citizens equally. That is fact.
    well I believe you are correct.

    some people do get out of not having to be subject to the law, ..because who they are, or how much money they have......or coarse this is a great wrong in our society.


    but to be clear equality under the law, is not to be used by government to force one person to treat another person equally.

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    Re: what is equlity under the law and what does it mean?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    No. Are you implying that preferential treatment be given to certain segments of the population based on race according to the law?
    So, you believe racism exists and you support it by taking no corrective action?

    Hate crime legislation is stupid **** as far as I am concerned.
    As I suspected, you don't understand hate crime legislation.

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