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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, it does not. If it was it would be a felony or misdemeanor offense; it is neither. A Supreme Court decision doesn't impart some special status simply if it's unanimous. Presidential administrations have had their actions overturned throughout the years...none of those instances were examples of a President acting in an illegal fashion. Same goes for Obama. Nothing in our legal system magically makes it an illegal action simply because it's unanimous.
    Fair point about it being unanimous, I only bring that up because that would imply this isn't a partisan issue. That being said though, are you saying that by overstepping your authority as listed in the Constitution, you're not breaking the law? Then... what are you doing?

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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    No. I see this as nothing more than an ideological stunt conjured up by one-quarter of Congress (House GOP) that in all likelihood don't have legal standing to even bring about such a case. It's not they who'd suffer economically; it's large employers. Moreover, the only way they'd even feel the economic impact is IF they don't provide insurance to their employees. Otherwise, they have nothing to worry about from the ACA.
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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    They would need some kind of proclivity towards making laws on their own before having any kind of evidence of damages. The only ones who should sued for not doing their job in the slightest is congress, especially the GOP

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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    They would need some kind of proclivity towards making laws on their own before having any kind of evidence of damages. The only ones who should sued for not doing their job in the slightest is congress, especially the GOP
    So you think we should have a one party system that rubber stamps the KING's whims? Will you be honest and call it the communist party?
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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Fair point about it being unanimous, I only bring that up because that would imply this isn't a partisan issue. That being said though, are you saying that by overstepping your authority as listed in the Constitution, you're not breaking the law? Then... what are you doing?
    Whether or not it's a partisan issue has nothing to do with whether or not the President has undertaken a "High Crime" or even a "misdemeanor". A SCOTUS decision regarding action taken by a president or congress and deeming it as unconstitutional has never been used as grounds to charge a congressman or a president with a misdemeanor or greater violation of the law. That's simple fact.

    You seem to be showing a great care for the Constitution in your outrage towards Obama. Well, let's see what the Constitution sets as the requirement for impeachment:

    The Constitution, Article II, Section 4:
    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
    Note "Having your action overturned by a unanimous SCOTUS ruling" is not one of those listed things.

    If you can show me some kind of legal basis for charging a politician for supporting or enacting a law or action that later goes on to be deemed unconstitutional with a misdemeanor or felony then you have a case. Otherwise, you're just complaining and throwing out baseless hypotheticals.

    An action taken that is deemed unconstitutional is just that, unconstitutional. If the politician in question CONTINUED to enforce or do the same action then you'd have potential grounds to suggest that they're actually undertaken illegal activity as there is a clear legal opinion regarding the action in question and establishing it as not allowed. However, there's no instance I can think or quickly find where that initial ruling results in criminal charges.

    Now, just because it never has happened doesn't mean you can't suggest it should be attempted. However, it does make such a suggestion rather preposterous and significantly questionable from a legal stand point. Not to mention it presents a MASSIVE slippery slope as it would establish that any politician who supports an unconstitutional piece of legislation or governmental action in a tangible way could potentially be charged with a crime.

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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    I think it's a dumb political move, because Impeachment's and Lawsuit's are meant to remove or punish an individual for obvious criminal acts, not for objectionable political behavior or minor indiscretions. I never believed that GW did anything that should've been sued over or impeached for either.
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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Obama is being sued by congress. We will have to watch and see how that works out, since it's the very first time. Maybe congress will ask for 10 trillion in damages pain and suffering! Who knows? Might turn out it's only necessary to threaten lawsuit to rein in future petulant arrogant presidents.
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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    So you think we should have a one party system that rubber stamps the KING's whims? Will you be honest and call it the communist party?
    i think we should not have a senate who does *nothing* then bitches that the president issues exec orders *because* they do nothing. My solution to this, since the senate is completely hopeless at this point, is to get rid of it altogether

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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    i think we should not have a senate who does *nothing* then bitches that the president issues exec orders *because* they do nothing. My solution to this, since the senate is completely hopeless at this point, is to get rid of it altogether
    Did you intend to say "the house"?

    The senate is democrat controlled and doing nothing good, but not complaining about their adored king.

    The republicans have the majority in the peoples house and are suing Obama.
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    Re: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    Did you intend to say "the house"?

    The senate is democrat controlled and doing nothing good, but not complaining about their adored king.

    The republicans have the majority in the peoples house and are suing Obama.
    Need 60 votes to pass anything in the senate, so having majority control is meaningless, not that i accept any political excuses for allowing the country to falter while the senate does nothing. They aren't even worth their salaries, so get rid of the senate like any other dysfunctional public entity. The senate is the real culprit in the house being unable to get anything they pass into law. That's what they, along with the american people, should be suing. Come on, there's reason that the senate has lower approval than bubonic plague, no matter which party has majority. It's broken beyond repair.

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