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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    They'd get what they're sent, and keep them for as long as told. They wouldn't, however, be wanting to keep them any longer than necessary, so they wouldn't be lobbying lawmakers for more laws and harsher sentences.
    You're right, they'd be lobbying for *lighter* sentences instead. There's just no good that can come out of our lawmakers being directly bought off in this way.

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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You're right, they'd be lobbying for *lighter* sentences instead. There's just no good that can come out of our lawmakers being directly bought off in this way.
    Possibly, but the chances of that going anywhere is pretty slim. The public in general still likes "tough on crime" politicians.
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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    They'd get what they're sent, and keep them for as long as told.
    The nature of any business is to try to make as much money as possible. This means they will cut corners somewhere thus making prisons less safe and less secure.

    They wouldn't, however, be wanting to keep them any longer than necessary, so they wouldn't be lobbying lawmakers for more laws and harsher sentences.
    Wouldn't they just lobby for earlier releases of potentially dangerous criminals?
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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The nature of any business is to try to make as much money as possible. This means they will cut corners somewhere thus making prisons less safe and less secure.

    Wouldn't they just lobby for earlier releases of potentially dangerous criminals?
    I addressed that possibility in post #12. They might, but that would be harder to get past the populace.
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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I addressed that possibility in post #12. They might, but that would be harder to get past the populace.
    What you say might have some merit.But due to the the crap our elected officials gotten away with enacting it is not really that hard for them to get something past the populace. Most of the populace who would rather be obsessed with sports or watch some retarded reality show than pay attention to what their elected officials are doing. If it was hard to get things past the populace this thread and probably most other threads would not exist.
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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    When DP'ers can agree on any political issue, it is something to take note of.

    California got something going with a prison scale-down referendum that enjoys bipartisan support. Other states should consider doing something similar. Hell, finally getting a handle on the prison-industrial complex might be the perfect way to show that a Republican Congress can work with a Democratic president.
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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    A private business must make money and has no reason to enter into risky contracts. The quota is satisfied by transfers from state facilities and not extra convictions.

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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ****...yes. This is right up there with businesses being able to carry out eminent domain and asset forfeiture in the chapter titled "Hilariously horrible policies that exist despite everyone knowing they're pure evil."

    Edit: on second thought, for-profit prisons are probably quite a bit worse.
    Talk about perverse incentives...
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Talk about perverse incentives...
    But there is no incentive. The state facilities have no profit worries and can simply operate at less than capacity, allowing private contracts to be satisfied.

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    Re: Should occupancy rates/lock-up quotas for private prisons be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A private business must make money and has no reason to enter into risky contracts. The quota is satisfied by transfers from state facilities and not extra convictions.
    Aren't convicts transferred from state facilities when a private prison prison takes over?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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