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In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 11 55.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 7 35.0%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 1 5.0%
  • Total voters
    20
grip said:
Still no honest answer? Will you or will you not support liberal solutions that prove positive outcomes? It's that simple.






I'm not debating the probability of compromises being possible or correct, just the ideological reasoning that someone can't take their blinders off for a moment.
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Rhetoric and platitudes to the specific examples I asked for. Why are you are hiding from reality.
 
US Conservative said:
Rhetoric and platitudes to the specific examples I asked for. Why are you are hiding from reality.
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That's okay. I understand if you're not willing to answer. I didn't mean to try and degrade your responses.
 
grip said:
That's okay. I understand if you're not willing to answer. I didn't mean to try and degrade your responses.
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you want an answer, but wont give any details

what policy?

what is the cost of the new policy, versus what we have been doing?

what is the end game of the policy?

i can look at anything.....and can assess whether or not i like the policy, and whether or not i think it would work

but how about a few details?

for instance....parts of the aca were needed, and are good legislation. Most of the bill sucks hind tits! And at the cost of the legislation, and what it is doing to our economy, it is a TOTAL failure.

but i recognize that the few parts that are good needed to be done.....and will need to be in whatever eventually replaces the aca as that debacle goes broke
 
US Conservative said:
Are you suggesting that local and highly responsive govt trumps one size fits all top down mandates from Washington? ;)
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Not exactly although there is some truth to that.

I was more suggesting that small, limited government is better at any level
 
US Conservative said:
You make my point of the op and my sig "The American left-turning questions of fact into questions of motive."

So for NOT going along with policies/actions that they not only fundamentally disagree with, but in many cases have previously objectively failed to live up to the promises-conservatives are "bat**** crazy".

As nuanced as it is logical.
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You did not properly address a single point that I made, let alone come close to making an adequate refutation of any of them. But again, I have come to realize that tone-deafness is a core component of American conservatism, so your failure to provide an adequate response did not surprise me.
 
US Conservative said:
In medicine, we quickly learn that what matters is outcomes-not intent to help. Things are too important to think otherwise.
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Because, sans the intent to help, a positive outcome is assured. Medical professionals are whimsical that way.

In politics-that distinction is often blurred. Programs that claim to improve education but dont. The war on poverty that failed to lower poverty. The war on drugs.

Intent often is seen as somehow benevolent and superior to whatever the actual outcomes are. Rhetoric is used as a shield to objective failure, turning questions of fact into questions of motive, etc.
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Who claims that intent precludes the possibility of failure? Or that intent is never characterised by malice or self-interest?

What do you say?
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Medallion.
 
NoC_T said:
Because, sans the intent to help, a positive outcome is assured. Medical professionals are whimsical that way.


Who claims that intent precludes the possibility of failure? Or that intent is never characterised by malice or self-interest?


Medallion.
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Are you really having difficulty with this? NO OUTCOME IS ASSURED, if it was, this thread wouldn't exist, as intentions would be enough.
 
US Conservative said:
Are you really having difficulty with this? NO OUTCOME IS ASSURED, if it was, this thread wouldn't exist, as intentions would be enough.
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Assuming your intention had been not to post it. Or you happen to be God.

Funny. I'd imagined you as a little more cogent, somehow.
 
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