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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Given the success of conservative states, the failure of liberal states and these poll results that say the we all believe outcome matters. seems like the progressives would have to admit that it's time to vote conservative despite their good intentions.
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What you are suggesting is that my desire for objective success means I want things to work for a "privileged few". Silly on its face-I want things to work for everyone, note that this does not mean supporting failure because of good intentions.
    You want it to only work for those who believe in your values to validate your political philosophy.
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Voted, "I am a right leaning American and no".

    I am reminded of an old proverb. "The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
    You ever notice those with good intentions seem to know what's best for everyone else?
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You want it to only work for those who believe in your values to validate your political philosophy.
    Simply not true-you are projecting. I want everyone to do well, and I want them to keep their hard earned money, and I want them to be happy and self sufficient. Horrible stuff, huh?

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Simply not true-you are projecting. I want everyone to do well, and I want them to keep their hard earned money, and I want them to be happy and self sufficient. Horrible stuff, huh?
    What if hypothetically you find out that liberal policies created the best overall outcome for the general population. Would you support them?

    Now, I don't want to hear why it's impossible, only what if it were the case. Are you really a winner?
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    What if hypothetically you find out that liberal policies created the best overall outcome for the general population. Would you support them?

    Now, I don't want to hear why it's impossible, only what if it were the case. Are you really a winner?
    It would depend, your hypothetical would be presented (often with flawed/biased evidence) for political purposes (everything the left does is about politics). It would also question the intent compared to the outcome, and the role of the policy. I believe that while individuals and society has a role to help others, I dont see the GOVT as the primary means of said role.

    Beyond that, your rosy hypothetical is not consistent with reality, and thats where I live. However, if you can provide examples with evidence I will gladly examine them and give you my opinion. Keep it brief Im not going to write a book.

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It would depend, your hypothetical would be presented (often with flawed/biased evidence) for political purposes (everything the left does is about politics). It would also question the intent compared to the outcome, and the role of the policy. I believe that while individuals and society has a role to help others, I dont see the GOVT as the primary means of said role.

    Beyond that, your rosy hypothetical is not consistent with reality, and thats where I live. However, if you can provide examples with evidence I will gladly examine them and give you my opinion. Keep it brief Im not going to write a book.
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It would depend, your hypothetical would be presented (often with flawed/biased evidence) for political purposes (everything the left does is about politics). It would also question the intent compared to the outcome, and the role of the policy. I believe that while individuals and society has a role to help others, I dont see the GOVT as the primary means of said role.

    Beyond that, your rosy hypothetical is not consistent with reality, and thats where I live. However, if you can provide examples with evidence I will gladly examine them and give you my opinion. Keep it brief Im not going to write a book.
    Just what I thought, I gave you a straight up question to prove you honestly want progress above ideology and you dodged it. I'm a registered Republican from the south and voted twice for Reagan before you were probably legal, but even I will change my position when shown wrong.
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Just what I thought, I gave you a straight up question to prove you honestly want progress above ideology and you dodged it. I'm a registered Republican from the south and voted twice for Reagan before you were probably legal, but even I will change my position when shown wrong.
    That is the difference between someone who can look at things, even their own beliefs, objectively and critically, and someone who can't or refuses to.
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