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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Ill give you an even more clear example of intent over outcome...

    The GOP demagogued immigration ad nauseum and then left DC with no actual serious attempt at a solution. Intent over outcome.
    Ah no, you are confused and dont make the analogy. Immigration is not and was not an issue, its an attempt by the left to import votes-and we knew it was coming years ago.

    Immigration is a good thing-legal immigration-not the importation of undocumented democrats.

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Ill give you an even more clear example of intent over outcome...

    The GOP demagogued immigration ad nauseum and then left DC with no actual serious attempt at a solution. Intent over outcome.
    Ah no, you are confused and dont make the analogy. Immigration is not and was not an issue, its an attempt by the left to import votes-and we knew it was coming years ago.

    Immigration is a good thing-legal immigration-not the importation of undocumented democrats.

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Your analogy seems flawed in the sense that nobody supports what doesn't work for themselves. The question begs, do you want things to politically work for the privileged few or the majority. What works best for you and your interests may not work for society as a whole.
    What you are suggesting is that my desire for objective success means I want things to work for a "privileged few". Silly on its face-I want things to work for everyone, note that this does not mean supporting failure because of good intentions.

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Both are important. For example Regan's Amnesty bill. His intent was a good one. The reason he gave amnesty was in return for more secure borders. The intent was good. However his end result was a failure. Our borders are no more secure now than they were then. In fact it could be argued that they are worse.

    BTW: Didn't vote in the poll. No option for me to. Not even an option for both being equal. The world is not black and white. There are many shades of grey.
    In intent was good, but the outcome was creating a future incentive for similar illegal behavior (evidence that amnesty does not work) and yes-we have no southern border.

    In my poll questions, I seek to find the issues as seen by different political ideologies. If I had to include a million other choices the poll would be less useful for this purpose, and could never be complete. Equivocal isn't useful here, nor is naming ever possible political ideology. If you are telling me you are somehow EXACTLY in the center, thats remarkable but also a red herring. Hopefully you understand my view, it is/was not intended as a slight.

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I don't think you realize what you inadvertently just admitted.

    99% vs 1%? Result-driven.
    War on Women? Result-driven.
    Military-industrial complex? Result-driven.
    Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed in war? Result-driven.
    Starving schools of public funds? Result-driven.
    Exploitation of undocumented Hispanic laborers? Result-driven.
    Drowning government in a bathtub? Result-driven.

    As has been explained many times around here, only to meet tone-deaf reactions such as the ones this post will inevitably receive, liberal policies can work when not watered down or sabotaged by the Far Right. That is part of why most of the developed world has healthier societies than we do--they don't have a powerful faction to stand in the way of everything that would bring about social progress. Their conservatives provide level-headed analyses to rationally guide the changes, not bat**** craziness to oppose the changes.
    You make my point of the op and my sig "The American left-turning questions of fact into questions of motive."

    So for NOT going along with policies/actions that they not only fundamentally disagree with, but in many cases have previously objectively failed to live up to the promises-conservatives are "bat**** crazy".

    As nuanced as it is logical.
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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Huh?

    In politics, self-serving greed trumps all.
    Politics isn't presented in this manner-though yes thats sometimes true. The specific scope is in the presenting of, and execution of political promises vs the objective outcome.

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No, that's why policies like low taxes for the rich need to go, they were of good intent, but trickle down is now proven to not work, so we need to deal with the outcome of failure and move on to something else. This is just one topic that concept could be attributed to. MIC is another, privatizing prisons and schools, the war on drugs, the war on terror, leaving infrastructure to the states, and such would be others, I'm sure there're more.
    Low taxes for everyone is even better and trickle down is long since proven succesful sorry to burst your myth.

    Privatizing schools and leaving infrastructure to the states also works better.

    Fecderal control of sych things is the proven failure.

    You are right about the war on drugs and terror although you ignore than absolute proven failure of the war on poverty

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Low taxes for everyone is even better and trickle down is long since proven succesful sorry to burst your myth.

    Privatizing schools and leaving infrastructure to the states also works better.

    Fecderal control of sych things is the proven failure.

    You are right about the war on drugs and terror although you ignore than absolute proven failure of the war on poverty
    Are you suggesting that local and highly responsive govt trumps one size fits all top down mandates from Washington?

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post


    In medicine, we quickly learn that what matters is outcomes-not intent to help. Things are too important to think otherwise.

    In politics-that distinction is often blurred. Programs that claim to improve education but dont. The war on poverty that failed to lower poverty. The war on drugs.

    Intent often is seen as somehow benevolent and superior to whatever the actual outcomes are. Rhetoric is used as a shield to objective failure, turning questions of fact into questions of motive, etc.

    What do you say?
    Given the success of conservative states, the failure of liberal states and these poll results that say the we all believe outcome matters. seems like the progressives would have to admit that it's time to vote conservative despite their good intentions.
    "It is only when men contemplate the greatness of God that they can come to realize their own inadequacy." Jean Calvin

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    Re: In politics does Intent trump Outcome?

    Voted, "I am a right leaning American and no".

    I am reminded of an old proverb. "The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
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