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Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

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Grand Mal

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If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
 
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No...WAY to many people in jail as is.

Just fine them.
 
Sorry, couldn't create the poll.
 
No. However, if an employer continues to hire illegals after being repeatedly fined then he should have his/her business shut down for a period of time.
 
I think a fine is applicable, at least the first time. If they continue to employ illegals, eventually a fine isn't going to be enough.
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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That sounds rather harsh. I think pillory and whipping will do. Then confiscate their possessions and let'em go.
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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Not jailed but certainly arrested and tried and fined and businesses closed with no ability to be licensed again for a period of time not less than 5 years.

JMHO
 
Cephus said:
I think a fine is applicable, at least the first time. If they continue to employ illegals, eventually a fine isn't going to be enough.
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Just increase the fine each time they're caught, at some point the company will be losing year's worth of profits for hiring illegal immigrants.

Jail time is stupid in this case, that just wastes our money. Instead, if we fine them to the point where their company is destroyed after multiple offenses the govt. not only kills an unethical business but it also saves a lot of resource spending on jails.
 
I think it should be like a liquor license violation. The server and the business are fined, with escalating fines until the business loses it's license.
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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As part of a catastrophic penalty for knowingly hiring illegal aliens? Absolutely.

Add in confiscation of personal assets, including their homes and other goods to pay the penalties, which should be quadrupled.
 
Big employers of illegal workers are fined.

We don't have the enforcement agents to investigate every claim of an illegal worker working.

People just don't seem to understand all this enforcement, and fining, and arresting, and deporting costs money...to make any significant impact.

The reason nothing is happening on immigration is because nothing doesn't cost so much.
 
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1750Texan said:
Big employers of illegal workers are fined.
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They should also have their businesses closed and no right to re-open a biz for a period of time. Otherwise they just keep doing it again and again and the fines are just acceptable losses.
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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The government can't control the border, how in the hell are they going to police every small business in the US? Lets puts this in perspective. How many illegals are working for homeowners, as cooks, nannies, maids, lawn care, etc. Then how many illegals are working on small constructions jobs, like framers, brick layers, roofers, concrete, tile setters, the list goes on and on. Now how many illegals are self employed as common labor. How many illegals stand on the corner of every city and I guy comes along and hires them for a day or two or thee. How many small businesses are there that hire illegals such as motel workers, cooks, dish washers, small nurseries, commercial fishing etc etc etc.

Then you have sanctuary cities harboring illegals, the federal government harboring illegals, churches harboring illegals, homes harboring illegals, illegals harboring illegals. The list goes on.

Then you now have illegals coming across our border and when they do that go hunt down an Obama border agent to be taken care of.

Any you think Big government is going to police and raid every home and small business looking for an illegal.

The point is there are millions of homeowner and small businesses and self-employed illegals, there is no way in hell big daddy is going to police anything. Especially with an Obama open border policy. Yeah right, Obama has an open border policy and then he is going to jail US Citizens for the job he is unwilling to do at the border.

No one is ever going to jail for putting an illegal to work, how do you expect them to live. Hell when they come across the border we house and feed them and give them medical care, at least when an Illegal is working he can support himself.

Where is all the sympathy from the left, these are poor people they need jobs to provide for their families. Or do you liberals want them on the government dole.
 
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Luftwaffe said:
Just increase the fine each time they're caught, at some point the company will be losing year's worth of profits for hiring illegal immigrants.

Jail time is stupid in this case, that just wastes our money. Instead, if we fine them to the point where their company is destroyed after multiple offenses the govt. not only kills an unethical business but it also saves a lot of resource spending on jails.
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Which is entirely fine with me, I think a $10,000 fine, per offense, first time out is going to stop 99.999% of people hiring illegals anyhow.
 
1750Texan said:
Big employers of illegal workers are fined.

We don't have the enforcement agents to investigate every claim of an illegal worker working.

People just don't seem to understand all this enforcement, and fining, and arresting, and deporting costs money...to make any significant impact.

The reason nothing is happening on immigration is because nothing doesn't cost so much.
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If you make the fines high enough, the fines alone pay for enforcement. Charge the companies for the cost of deporting as well. Make it really, really hurt.
 
Unless they have some sort of instant check in place,
How is an employer suppose to know someone is illegal?
Many states already offer Drivers Licenses to illegals.
Other than Government jobs, most jobs don't ask.
 
1750Texan said:
Big employers of illegal workers are fined.

We don't have the enforcement agents to investigate every claim of an illegal worker working.

People just don't seem to understand all this enforcement, and fining, and arresting, and deporting costs money...to make any significant impact.

The reason nothing is happening on immigration is because nothing doesn't cost so much.
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Doing nothing is costing $10 of billions to taxpayers across the country.

There is clearly another reason nothing is being done.
 
Summerwind said:
They should also have their businesses closed and no right to re-open a biz for a period of time. Otherwise they just keep doing it again and again and the fines are just acceptable losses.
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How about closing down the White House, Obama is not closing the border, so why in the hell should anyone expect they would go after a homeowner for hiring a maid.
 
longview said:
Unless they have some sort of instant check in place,
How is an employer suppose to know someone is illegal?
Many states already offer Drivers Licenses to illegals.
Other than Government jobs, most jobs don't ask.
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And why should they, but most important, there is no requirement to prove anyone is illegal or not, nor does anyone have the legal authority to prove anyone is illegal or not. So to think big daddy government is going raid homes to see if you have an illegal nanny is absurd.
 
longview said:
Unless they have some sort of instant check in place,
How is an employer suppose to know someone is illegal?
Many states already offer Drivers Licenses to illegals.
Other than Government jobs, most jobs don't ask.
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This is what E Verify is for. It needs to be implemented in its full form nationwide. Currently I believe it is a state option.
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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>" What Counts as “Hiring An Illegal Immigrant”?
Under federal law, it is illegal for any employer to hire, recruit or refer for a fee any alien not authorized to work in the United States. This includes hiring contractors who employ illegal immigrants. There are criminal and civil penalties associated with this conduct.

It is also illegal for any employer not to verify work authorization. An employer who does not correctly complete an I-9 for each employee three days after the employee is hired is also subject to criminal and civil punishment.

What Are the Penalties For Hiring An Illegal Immigrant?
For first offenders, there is a $250-$2,000 fine per illegal employee.

For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

For employers who have been convicted of hiring illegal immigrants more than twice, the fine can range from $3000-$10,000 per employee. If the employer demonstrates a pervasive pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants, he or she could face additional fines, and up to six months in jail.

This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or knowingly employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.


Additionally, under the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) act, employers hiring illegal immigrants have been sued, resulting in large settlements. The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages..."<

Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants | LegalMatch Law Library

A few weeks later after the above was posted.

Obama eases penalties for businesses hiring illegal immigrants

40 percent decrease in fines belies rhetoric

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-for-businesses-hiring-illega/#ixzz39SNDqTuV

Yes, for you who have a reading comprehension problem there's a video.
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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No, however, make the fine a percentage of their income and make it to where they feel the pain if caught. As long as employers will continue to hire illegals, they will come in droves.
 
How hard should an employer have to work to determine if someone is legal to work here or not?
 
Grand Mal said:
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
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Yes.As a matter of fact someone who employs illegals should be treated no different than a drug dealer, mobster or some other criminal who profits from illegal activities. That means prison time and their assets forfeited and seized (after a guilty conviction).Every piece of **** who hires an illegal is just another magnet that further encourages illegal immigration.

Making them only pay a fine encourages them to hire illegals because they can make up the difference because of the money they save from not hiring legal workers. If an employer is saving 2-10 grand by hiring illegals do you really thing that employer is going to be hurt if he only has to pay a 2-10 grand in fines?
 
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Luftwaffe said:
Just increase the fine each time they're caught, at some point the company will be losing year's worth of profits for hiring illegal immigrants.

Jail time is stupid in this case, that just wastes our money. Instead, if we fine them to the point where their company is destroyed after multiple offenses the govt. not only kills an unethical business but it also saves a lot of resource spending on jails.
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Our government does token enforcement.It needs to hurt the first time for hiring illegals, not the 2nd,3rd,4th,5th or 6th time.
 
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