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Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?


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How hard should an employer have to work to determine if someone is legal to work here or not?

I think we just need to come up with a single standard, like universal e-verify, and hold everyone across the board accountable to that single standard. If an illegal can get past e-verify, that's a problem for e-verify to fix, the employer should not be held accountable for that.
 
How about closing down the White House, Obama is not closing the border, so why in the hell should anyone expect they would go after a homeowner for hiring a maid.

You better get something more substantial than Obama-hating in your life soon, he's only got a little more than 2 years left. What will you do with all that hatred once he's out of the spotlight?
 
And why should they, but most important, there is no requirement to prove anyone is illegal or not, nor does anyone have the legal authority to prove anyone is illegal or not. So to think big daddy government is going raid homes to see if you have an illegal nanny is absurd.

Yes there is a legal requirement to prove your employee's are legal. Perhaps you need some education on the subject before you continue blaring ignorance.
 
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?


i would make the penalties based upon size of business

and i would make them progressively worse with each new infraction

and on the 4th infraction....loss of all assets, forfeiture of business

i would also make the infractions public

lets say a public company is doing this....shouldnt the board/shareholders have a chance to fire board/elect new officers before liquidation?
 
They should give them a big hug and then smack them in the head...with love.

Sorry...always get this way after I eat chocolate...I get all happy for a few seconds.


Note to self...offer chocolate to loan officer when I go for an extension of my line-of-credit...and to a woman when I ask a her out...and to a cop when...

Additional note to self...buy lots of chocolate.
 
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i would make the penalties based upon size of business

and i would make them progressively worse with each new infraction

and on the 4th infraction....loss of all assets, forfeiture of business

i would also make the infractions public

lets say a public company is doing this....shouldnt the board/shareholders have a chance to fire board/elect new officers before liquidation?

I could see that. On the first offense, the fine is 1% of your prior year gross income. Not net, gross. On the second, 20%, third 50%, fourth and final, 100%. You'd never see a second offense.
 
I think we just need to come up with a single standard, like universal e-verify, and hold everyone across the board accountable to that single standard. If an illegal can get past e-verify, that's a problem for e-verify to fix, the employer should not be held accountable for that.

That sounds fine to me. As long as the employer shows the effort and steps to comply with the law he/she should be fine.
 
You better get something more substantial than Obama-hating in your life soon, he's only got a little more than 2 years left. What will you do with all that hatred once he's out of the spotlight?

My hatred is of a ****ing failure at anything he does. When he's gone we can restore his destruction to this country.
 
My hatred is of a ****ing failure at anything he does. When he's gone we can restore his destruction to this country.
What in your imagination is going to change when he's gone? Please be specific, a list would nice.
 
Our government does token enforcement.It needs to hurt the first time for hiring illegals, not the 2nd,3rd,4th,5th or 6th time.

Land of second chances, first fine is still very hefty, but you shouldn't kill companies "on sight".
 
"We should fine them..."

"That's fine with me"

I love the puns in this thread truth be told.
 
All employees must have a I-9 on file with their W-4.


Employment Eligibility Verification | USCIS

I've been an accountant for most of my life, I know about payroll.

Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
Yes there is a legal requirement to prove your employee's are legal.


Now you show your ignorance, a I-9 does NOT make an employer liable to prove a person is legal or illegal. There is no where is this form that requires the employer to prove a person is legal or illegal. All it asks is for the employee to submit certain information and the employer is to look it over. That is it. Looking at what the employee submits does not prove he is legal nor does the employer required to insure the information he is viewing is accurate, legal or fraudulent, there is no where in this form that makes the employer verify anything to PROVE anything . There is now where in this country that makes an employer PROVE a person they are hiring is legal or illegal. A person that submits information to be reviewed is not PROOF of anything. In fact all a person has to do is fill out their name, address, date of birth and provide their SS number if they so chose to do so.

So your statement that there is a legal requirement to PROVE your employee's are legal is naive and ignorant.

I submit:
Purpose of Form

Form I-9 is used for verifying the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must ensure proper completion of Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form. On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization. The employer must examine the employment eligibility and identity document(s) an employee presents to determine whether the document(s) reasonably appear to be genuine and to relate to the employee and record the document information on the Form I-9. The list of acceptable documents can be found on the last page of the form. Employers must retain Form I-9 for a designated period and make it available for inspection by authorized government officers. NOTE: State agencies may use Form I-9. Also, some agricultural recruiters and referrers for a fee may be required to use Form I-9.

This is all the information the employee has to submit, where in the I-9 form does the information provided by the employee has to be proven accurate, legal, and not fraudulent. And where in this form is the government making the employer liable to PROVE the information they reviewed is accurate, legal and not fraudulent?

I would suggest you read up on exactly what is required of the employer you work for. And not make such ignorant statements that the employer is liable to PROVE anything.

Section 1. Employee Information and Attestation
Newly hired employees must complete and sign Section 1 of Form I-9 no later than the first day of employment

Section 1 should never be completed before the employee has accepted a job offer.
Provide the following information to complete Section 1:

Name:
Provide your full legal last name, first name, and middle initial. Your last name is your family name or surname. If you have two last names or a hyphenated last name, include both names in the last name field. Your first name is your given name. Your middle initial is the first letter of your second given name, or the first letter of your middle name, if any.

Address:
Provide the address where you currently live, including Street Number and Name, Apartment Number (if applicable), City, State, and Zip Code. Do not provide a post office box address (P.O. Box). Only border commuters from Canada or Mexico may use an international address in this field.

Date of Birth:
Provide your date of birth in the mm/dd/yyyy format. For example, January 23, 1950, should bewritten as 01/23/1950.

U.S. Social Security Number:
Provide your 9-digit Social Security number. Providing your Social Security number is voluntary. However, if your employer participates in E-Verify, you must provide your Social Security number

E-mail Address and Telephone Number (Optional):
You may provide your e-mail address and telephone number. Department of Homeland Security
 
Land of second chances, first fine is still very hefty, but you shouldn't kill companies "on sight".

A company saves 2-10 thousand dollars per employee by hiring illegals and the government only does token raids IE raids that hardly ever happen on companies, What incentive is there for a company to not hire illegals?
 
EW EW! I just had a good idea for employer punishment for hiring illegal workers. Not only do they get fined, but they also have to stay in the same deportation detention facilities that their employees have to stay in til each and every illegal employee is deported.

The thing that is ineffective with current ways of dealing with illegal workforce is that only the employees are put in any hardship, the employers even with fines as they stand now, it's just the cost of doing business, not enough to hurt, and bigger fines would only cause them to raise their prices to cover the loss. They need to be "hurt" the same way their employees, by being detained til the deportations are all resolved, in exactly the same conditions, the exact same places even.
 
EW EW! I just had a good idea for employer punishment for hiring illegal workers. Not only do they get fined, but they also have to stay in the same deportation detention facilities that their employees have to stay in til each and every illegal employee is deported.

That is exactly where Obama should be put for not closing the border, but you want to put citizens in jail for Obama not doing his job. Only a liberal could come up with such and idea. Further there is no requirement for an employer to PROVE anything regarding if a person is legal or illegal.
 
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?

No. That would make an already bad problem much worse.
 
That is exactly where Obama should be put for not closing the border, but you want to put citizens in jail for Obama not doing his job. Only a liberal could come up with such and idea. Further there is no requirement for an employer to PROVE anything regarding if a person is legal or illegal.
Please go blow your ODS somewhere else. You don't even raise to the level of boring.
 
Please go blow your ODS somewhere else. You don't even raise to the level of boring.

Yeah like you stating your an account and know payroll, BS, an I-9 form makes an employer PROOOOVE. Does ignorant mean anything to you?
 
I can tell you now that fining, and or imprisoning employers for hiring illegals is never going to happen.

So there.
 
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?

No. Fined. If repeating offense fine more. IF repeating even more shut the business down. In all cases deport the illegals.
 
If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?

YES.
As long as it is just a fine it will be seen by employers as "just another cost of doing business".
Throw them in the slammer for a few days and they will understand that we are serious.
 
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