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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    When you pay more in fines and penalties than you did in actual wages to the person, then I'd define that as 'stiff'.
    So you were paying employees $250 -$5,000 a year? No wonder immigration authorities were called on you.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Absolutely, but not as a first shot. Like most criminal and civil penalties it should escalate to jail time AND fine on reoccurrence. I think first time fines should be higher though. The equivalent of one year's salary for the position held by the illegal, for each illegal found. That's first offense. Second, double that. Third, triple that. Fourth, lose your business license and go to jail.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Fining companies with huge fines might work for companies like GE, but small and mid size companies can't hand that.

    I see some suggest shutting down businesses. That's a bit extreme isn't it?

    Shutting down businesses works great as long as your job isn't impacted or your employers aren't financially hit...directly or indirectly. That type of thinking is sort of like the old saying, "biting your own nose off to spite your face".

    It's taken a half dozen years to see employment begin to reach pre 2008 levels. Now people want to shut businesses down?

    Closing down one single major construction company can cause a domino effect on a lot of related businesses, like lumber companies, tool companies, concrete companies, trucking companies, electrical supply, plumbing supply companies...on and on an on. The domino effect can happen with a lot of businesses.

    But this is where it's really gonna hurt...

    The people hurt most in the end...is YOU at the grocery stores and meat markets! Produce growers (fruits, vegetables, etc) and meat processing companies will be shutdown. If citizens wanted to compete for jobs with growers and meat plants...they would have already done it.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Yup, enforcing the laws always hurts someone. But shutting down one construction company will only lead to it being replaced in the market.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Absolutely, but not as a first shot. Like most criminal and civil penalties it should escalate to jail time AND fine on reoccurrence. I think first time fines should be higher though. The equivalent of one year's salary for the position held by the illegal, for each illegal found. That's first offense. Second, double that. Third, triple that. Fourth, lose your business license and go to jail.
    The only probably with that is the fact they do not do regular raids on companies who hire illegals.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you were paying employees $250 -$5,000 a year? No wonder immigration authorities were called on you.
    I'm glad that you think you know our employment practices.

    When employees come and go at the entry level, some lasting a week or two, some last a month or so, the chances of them making wages equal to the penalty are pretty low.

    Or, perhaps, you believe in paying entry level employees $2500 a week?

    Those who are illegal, or have garnishments and or child support orders, seem to work a couple of weeks and then disappear. I would guess in the hopes of eluding getting tagged for such.

    You would learn these things if you dealt with employees at entry level.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I'm glad that you think you know our employment practices.

    When employees come and go at the entry level, some lasting a week or two, some last a month or so, the chances of them making wages equal to the penalty are pretty low.

    Or, perhaps, you believe in paying entry level employees $2500 a week?
    Minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. That comes out to 13920 a year working full time. There is no way a fine of $250 -$5,000 per illegal employee comes out more than the wage being paid.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yup, enforcing the laws always hurts someone. But shutting down one construction company will only lead to it being replaced in the market.
    One? Damn, where do you live. It would pretty much shut them all down.

    On the Plus side, Hillsboro, OR wouldn't be "Little Mexico" anymore and you might find someone in the park that actually speaks english afterwards.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. That comes out to 13920 a year working full time. There is no way a fine of $250 -$5,000 per illegal employee comes out more than the wage being paid.
    You know, if you did away with the stupidity of minimum wage and kicked people off welfare, you might actually be able to get Americans to take the jobs illegals currently fill for a reasonable salary.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    They should also have their businesses closed and no right to re-open a biz for a period of time. Otherwise they just keep doing it again and again and the fines are just acceptable losses.
    Why should corporations be closed when all others can pass laws giving benefits and protections? Either all should be punished servery or none.

    Congress itself has passed numerous provisions that give benefits to illegal aliens...how can Congress then pass harsh laws against employers?


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