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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    No way! I don't think there should be a penalty at all, but if there must be one it should be limited to a fine. You don't throw peaceful people in cages just because they did you something you don't like. Jail is for people that pose an immediate threat to society (murderers, rapists, thieves, etc), not for business owners that employ individuals born on the other side of a line in the dirt.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I think it should be like a liquor license violation. The server and the business are fined, with escalating fines until the business loses it's license.
    That would be my vote too.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Our prisons are so overfilled that we are having to let murderers and rapists out early. The last thing we should be doing is adding more.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Actually, just following the steps, and then some, will still get you fined big time, regardless if you used every method to check.

    They don't care what you did. And the penalties are pretty damn stiff even for a first timer.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Your hyperbole is so noted.
    How is what I said hyperbole? You are telling me that employer who deliberately hires illegals because its cheaper to hire them instead of Americans is somehow going to be hurt by measly fines?

    Let me clarify something. Illegal Immigrants don't walk around wearing a sign or a label. They aren't necessarily Mexican, Honduran or South American. They can speak and look like the average Joe, of all nationalities, races and colors.
    I never said they walked around carrying a sign or of one nationality or race.

    Some have very good documents, you wouldn't even know they weren't born here. And even e-verify is not infallible, but the onus is on the employer if someone does slip through.
    If the employer does all the checks like background checks, E-verify and SS# check and has documented that they did all those checks then I do not support fining or jailing the employer.Although if it happens on more than one occasion then it is suspicious.
    I've been through both a State and Federal Labor Audit. The penalties were stiff, even though we were not held criminally liable because of the documentation provided.
    How were the penalties stiff?

    Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants | LegalMatch Law Library
    What Are the Penalties For Hiring An Illegal Immigrant?

    For first offenders, there is a $250-$2,000 fine per illegal employee.

    For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

    For employers who have been convicted of hiring illegal immigrants more than twice, the fine can range from $3000-$10,000 per employee. If the employer demonstrates a pervasive pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants, he or she could face additional fines, and up to six months in jail.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Make a three strike rule. First strike you get a decent fine, second strike a huge fine and a felony. Third step is jail.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
    No. The politicians that pass laws to give handouts so people don't want to work at the jobs the illegals take should be jailed. Many illegals work at jobs you can't get Americans to take because they would rather live on welfare.

    It only becomes a problem when those same politicians decide to "humanely" give handouts to the illegals as well.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Absolutely not.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?
    Under some circumstances. For instance, several times being caught and cited for it maybe should result in jail time, like any other crime.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is what I said hyperbole? You are telling me that employer who deliberately hires illegals because its cheaper to hire them instead of Americans is somehow going to be hurt by measly fines?
    They don't care if it was deliberate or accidental. They don't care if you were given well done false papers, or if you used e-verify and got an 'authorized' response. If they can prove the person was illegal, you're paying fines no matter what if it was intentional or accidental.

    I never said they walked around carrying a sign or of one nationality or race.
    No you didn't. What I was indicating was that with good docs, you can't tell the difference between legal and illegal. They don't wear a label.

    If the employer does all the checks like background checks, E-verify and SS# check and has documented that they did all those checks then I do not support fining or jailing the employer.Although if it happens on more than one occasion then it is suspicious.
    It's nice that you don't support that, but the feds don't care. They want they penalties. Job validation.


    How were the penalties stiff?

    Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants | LegalMatch Law Library
    What Are the Penalties For Hiring An Illegal Immigrant?

    For first offenders, there is a $250-$2,000 fine per illegal employee.

    For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

    For employers who have been convicted of hiring illegal immigrants more than twice, the fine can range from $3000-$10,000 per employee. If the employer demonstrates a pervasive pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants, he or she could face additional fines, and up to six months in jail.
    When you pay more in fines and penalties than you did in actual wages to the person, then I'd define that as 'stiff'.
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