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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Good 'nuff, I can get behind it being a human rights issue instead of the usual 2-dimensional economics boondoggle.
    My feeling is, too many simple solutions to complicated problems focus on punishing the most vulnerable people in the equation rather than the ones who are really responsible for the problem.
    I couldn't agree more. These people wouldn't spend their life's saving... and sometimes their lives... coming here unless they had a "corporate invitation" to do so. Those who hire them for less than their labor is worth, leaving citizens who need those jobs at reasonable wages out in the cold, are the problem, not the poverty-stricken people who come here in desperation.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    YES.
    As long as it is just a fine it will be seen by employers as "just another cost of doing business".
    Throw them in the slammer for a few days and they will understand that we are serious.
    But if they do that, it'll interrupt the food supply chain, yes?

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    YES.
    As long as it is just a fine it will be seen by employers as "just another cost of doing business".
    Throw them in the slammer for a few days and they will understand that we are serious.
    This is why I support sticking them in prison the first time they hire illegals.It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that if an employer can save 2 to 10 grand a year by hiring illegals that even paying maximum fines the employer still comes out on top for hiring illegals.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Maybe I am mistaken but I thought employers are already fined.
    I'm pretty sure that no one around here is getting fined. The problem is that most illegals have a counterfeit (random) social security number and a legal driver's license. Sometimes two or three of them will be using the same SS number. The employer knows that he's getting bogus proof of citizenship, he just plays dumb and says that all of his Latino workers have given him the correct information. Then, when he gets raided, he has all of the illegals scanned SS and DL on file, claiming that he's not an immigration expert.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    No, make them pay through their noses to teach them to never do something like that again.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    That sounds fine to me. As long as the employer shows the effort and steps to comply with the law he/she should be fine.
    Actually, just following the steps, and then some, will still get you fined big time, regardless if you used every method to check.

    They don't care what you did. And the penalties are pretty damn stiff even for a first timer.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why I support sticking them in prison the first time they hire illegals.It doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that if an employer can save 2 to 10 grand a year by hiring illegals that even paying maximum fines the employer still comes out on top for hiring illegals.
    Your hyperbole is so noted.

    Let me clarify something. Illegal Immigrants don't walk around wearing a sign or a label. They aren't necessarily Mexican, Honduran or South American. They can speak and look like the average Joe, of all nationalities, races and colors.

    Some have very good documents, you wouldn't even know they weren't born here. And even e-verify is not infallible, but the onus is on the employer if someone does slip through.

    I've been through both a State and Federal Labor Audit. The penalties were stiff, even though we were not held criminally liable because of the documentation provided.

    Funny thing is, I still see one of the employees deemed to be 'illegal' still walking around town, 6 years later.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Definately no jail time but my vote would be a fine that is a % of their profits and then this % doubles each time they get caught up until they get to 100%, at which time the last amount fined gets doubled. I am not a law person or a financial person so I acknowledge this may not be doable but I like the idea.

    I want to add that this should be rational and if the employer shows that they did everything they could to check then they shouldnt receive a fine.
    Last edited by Amandi; 08-08-14 at 01:53 PM. Reason: Added "I want to add..."

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    If the illegal immigration problem is as dire as some here say it is, should employers of those illegals be jailed?

    I am a person that believes that our laws in many instances give way to much leeway in many cases. People generally know what is legal and what is illegal and should know better.


    I personally would like to see harsher punishments for businesses that hire illegals. I would require a business, when found to be employing non legal employees, to show reasonable effort in trying to establish legal status of said employees prior to employment. If no reasonable effort can be proven then I would fine them for a first offense, a much heavier fine for second offense, and third offense would be the permanent removal of their business license. I would only apply jail time if they (the owners) create a new business are are again found to be hiring illegal employees.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Not for the first offense.

    Fines, fines, fines.
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