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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i would make the penalties based upon size of business

    and i would make them progressively worse with each new infraction

    and on the 4th infraction....loss of all assets, forfeiture of business

    i would also make the infractions public

    lets say a public company is doing this....shouldnt the board/shareholders have a chance to fire board/elect new officers before liquidation?
    I could see that. On the first offense, the fine is 1% of your prior year gross income. Not net, gross. On the second, 20%, third 50%, fourth and final, 100%. You'd never see a second offense.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think we just need to come up with a single standard, like universal e-verify, and hold everyone across the board accountable to that single standard. If an illegal can get past e-verify, that's a problem for e-verify to fix, the employer should not be held accountable for that.
    That sounds fine to me. As long as the employer shows the effort and steps to comply with the law he/she should be fine.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes there is a legal requirement to prove your employee's are legal.
    Show me

    Perhaps you need some education on the subject before you continue blaring ignorance.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Our government does token enforcement.It needs to hurt the first time for hiring illegals, not the 2nd,3rd,4th,5th or 6th time.
    Land of second chances, first fine is still very hefty, but you shouldn't kill companies "on sight".
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Show me



    I said show me and we will judge who is ignorant.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    "We should fine them..."

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    All employees must have a I-9 on file with their W-4.


    Employment Eligibility Verification | USCIS

    I've been an accountant for most of my life, I know about payroll.
    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes there is a legal requirement to prove your employee's are legal.


    Now you show your ignorance, a I-9 does NOT make an employer liable to prove a person is legal or illegal. There is no where is this form that requires the employer to prove a person is legal or illegal. All it asks is for the employee to submit certain information and the employer is to look it over. That is it. Looking at what the employee submits does not prove he is legal nor does the employer required to insure the information he is viewing is accurate, legal or fraudulent, there is no where in this form that makes the employer verify anything to PROVE anything . There is now where in this country that makes an employer PROVE a person they are hiring is legal or illegal. A person that submits information to be reviewed is not PROOF of anything. In fact all a person has to do is fill out their name, address, date of birth and provide their SS number if they so chose to do so.

    So your statement that there is a legal requirement to PROVE your employee's are legal is naive and ignorant.

    I submit:
    Purpose of Form

    Form I-9 is used for verifying the identity and employment authorization of individuals hired for employment in the United States. All U.S. employers must ensure proper completion of Form I-9 for each individual they hire for employment in the United States. This includes citizens and noncitizens. Both employees and employers (or authorized representatives of the employer) must complete the form. On the form, an employee must attest to his or her employment authorization. The employee must also present his or her employer with acceptable documents evidencing identity and employment authorization. The employer must examine the employment eligibility and identity document(s) an employee presents to determine whether the document(s) reasonably appear to be genuine and to relate to the employee and record the document information on the Form I-9. The list of acceptable documents can be found on the last page of the form. Employers must retain Form I-9 for a designated period and make it available for inspection by authorized government officers. NOTE: State agencies may use Form I-9. Also, some agricultural recruiters and referrers for a fee may be required to use Form I-9.

    This is all the information the employee has to submit, where in the I-9 form does the information provided by the employee has to be proven accurate, legal, and not fraudulent. And where in this form is the government making the employer liable to PROVE the information they reviewed is accurate, legal and not fraudulent?

    I would suggest you read up on exactly what is required of the employer you work for. And not make such ignorant statements that the employer is liable to PROVE anything.

    Section 1. Employee Information and Attestation
    Newly hired employees must complete and sign Section 1 of Form I-9 no later than the first day of employment

    Section 1 should never be completed before the employee has accepted a job offer.
    Provide the following information to complete Section 1:

    Name:
    Provide your full legal last name, first name, and middle initial. Your last name is your family name or surname. If you have two last names or a hyphenated last name, include both names in the last name field. Your first name is your given name. Your middle initial is the first letter of your second given name, or the first letter of your middle name, if any.

    Address:
    Provide the address where you currently live, including Street Number and Name, Apartment Number (if applicable), City, State, and Zip Code. Do not provide a post office box address (P.O. Box). Only border commuters from Canada or Mexico may use an international address in this field.

    Date of Birth:
    Provide your date of birth in the mm/dd/yyyy format. For example, January 23, 1950, should bewritten as 01/23/1950.

    U.S. Social Security Number:
    Provide your 9-digit Social Security number. Providing your Social Security number is voluntary. However, if your employer participates in E-Verify, you must provide your Social Security number

    E-mail Address and Telephone Number (Optional):
    You may provide your e-mail address and telephone number. Department of Homeland Security
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Land of second chances, first fine is still very hefty, but you shouldn't kill companies "on sight".
    A company saves 2-10 thousand dollars per employee by hiring illegals and the government only does token raids IE raids that hardly ever happen on companies, What incentive is there for a company to not hire illegals?
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