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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    The question was posed.

    My answer was, if America really wanted to rid the country of illegals, they have to remove the incentive.

    Obviously, all this talk about getting rid of illegals is just lip service. If America was serious about it, well, see above. Start locking up the people for feeding the bears and the bears will stay out of the subdivision. Same with illegals.

    I am not saying, one way or the other, that we should or should not lock up these employers. I am simply saying that if we really wanted them gone, that is what we would have do do.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The question was posed.

    My answer was, if America really wanted to rid the country of illegals, they have to remove the incentive.

    Obviously, all this talk about getting rid of illegals is just lip service. If America was serious about it, well, see above. Start locking up the people for feeding the bears and the bears will stay out of the subdivision. Same with illegals.

    I am not saying, one way or the other, that we should or should not lock up these employers. I am simply saying that if we really wanted them gone, that is what we would have do do.
    I think the employers are the cause but I still disagree with locking them up. The prisons are too full. Just progressively tax them on an exponential scale.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I think the employers are the cause but I still disagree with locking them up. The prisons are too full. Just progressively tax them on an exponential scale.
    It couldn't hurt. But I kinda doubt they are going to come forward and admit to hiring illegals and pay for their "get out of jail free," card voluntarily.

    Two years of locking up the people who entice and support illegal aliens might get their attention. I'm sure only a few handfuls of employers would have to be locked up for the word to spread around that the government is finally serious.

    But we can talk about it all day. Nothing is going to get done. It's political lip service used to show where a politician stands and how he relates to particular individuals. After the elections, it's business as usual. Apparently, America actually needs illegal aliens.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    It couldn't hurt. But I kinda doubt they are going to come forward and admit to hiring illegals and pay for their "get out of jail free," card voluntarily.

    Two years of locking up the people who entice and support illegal aliens might get their attention. I'm sure only a few handfuls of employers would have to be locked up for the word to spread around that the government is finally serious.

    But we can talk about it all day. Nothing is going to get done. It's political lip service used to show where a politician stands and how he relates to particular individuals. After the elections, it's business as usual. Apparently, America actually needs illegal aliens.
    There are many topics that the two sides will argue over but neither will really try to do anything about.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Just increase the fine each time they're caught, at some point the company will be losing year's worth of profits for hiring illegal immigrants.

    Jail time is stupid in this case, that just wastes our money. Instead, if we fine them to the point where their company is destroyed after multiple offenses the govt. not only kills an unethical business but it also saves a lot of resource spending on jails.
    Like but ..
    I'd like to see "illegal", the situation , done away with...as well as the border patrols and fences .. In other words, an open border .. and no old fashioned jails either ...work camps... as necessary ..

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    First you said an employer has to PROVE an employee is legal and you pointed to the I-9 form

    There is nothing in the I-9 or any law or requirement for an employer to have to prove anything. I pointed that out in my post #39

    Then you come back with the employer has to verifying the documents appear genuine. That in no way is proof of anything nor is it proof the person is legal or illegal.

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    So in closing your I-9 form is useless and an employer has to PROVE nothing. Hell illegals get drivers licenses these days, where is the proof they have to show they are legal?
    The IRS disagrees with you:
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    What Is the Purpose of This Form?

    Employers must complete Form I-9 to document verification of the identity and employment authorization of each new
    employee (both citizen and noncitizen) hired after November 6, 1986, to work in the United States.

    Form I-9 is made up of three sections. Employers may be fined if the form is not complete. Employers are responsible for
    retaining completed forms.
    So they have to complete the form or face a penalty. That constitutes a legal requirement. If a person is here illegally they don't have the proper documents to meet the requirements of the form. The person can't work if they don't supply the documents. SOOO call it what you want but it is a requirement to verify a person's legal status in the country.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Like but ..
    I'd like to see "illegal", the situation , done away with...as well as the border patrols and fences .. In other words, an open border .. and no old fashioned jails either ...work camps... as necessary ..
    I am an advocate of immigration reform, I am not so strong on just purely open borders though.
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