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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    I would think a very stiff fine and a stern warning would suffice. Jail or prison time? nah.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Sure there would, because a lot of uneducated, unskilled and lazy people exist in the US.

    Some oil field work pays very well, but guess what, they have problems filling positions because the labor is out in the heat and the cold and requires physical labor. The other problem they have, same as Walmart and many other companies, is finding people who can pass the drug test.
    Drug Test? Do we really care if the guy picking strawberries is roasted while he's picking?
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    When you pay more in fines and penalties than you did in actual wages to the person, then I'd define that as 'stiff'.
    Not necessarily. The "stiffness" of a penalty would be defined according to the production of the worker. If the employer is ultimately remaining profitable even after paying penalties, then the fine is not stiff enough.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Sure there is. Look up I-9 form.
    Read my post #39, it's very educational, you'll enjoy it.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    I guess this is meant to be less of a real discussion than it is a liberal circle jerk but there's only so much any employer can really do to ensure their employees are here legally.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Read my post #39, it's very educational, you'll enjoy it.
    Especially the part about verifying the documents appear genuine. Oh and the list of documents a person MUST have to be employed by someone. That list of documents an person here illegally will not have.

    Yup very educational.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Especially the part about verifying the documents appear genuine. Oh and the list of documents a person MUST have to be employed by someone. That list of documents an person here illegally will not have.

    Yup very educational.
    First you said an employer has to PROVE an employee is legal and you pointed to the I-9 form

    There is nothing in the I-9 or any law or requirement for an employer to have to prove anything. I pointed that out in my post #39

    Then you come back with the employer has to verifying the documents appear genuine. That in no way is proof of anything nor is it proof the person is legal or illegal.

    Now let me again show you what those documents are, I'll list them for you so you don't have to read below the actual wording of from the I-9 form

    A person has to provide the following:

    Their full name
    Their address
    The date of birth

    Now tell me where are their any documents to review. The person writes in his name, address and date of birth on the form. What is there to look at?

    Last they have to provide their 9-digit Social Security number. Providing your Social Security number is voluntary.

    Again there is nothing to look at and nothing that an employer has to PROVE anything.

    I would suggest you read up on exactly what is required of the employer you work for. And not make such ignorant statements that the employer is liable to PROVE anything.

    Section 1. Employee Information and Attestation
    Newly hired employees must complete and sign Section 1 of Form I-9 no later than the first day of employment

    Section 1 should never be completed before the employee has accepted a job offer.
    Provide the following information to complete Section 1:

    Name:
    Provide your full legal last name, first name, and middle initial. Your last name is your family name or surname. If you have two last names or a hyphenated last name, include both names in the last name field. Your first name is your given name. Your middle initial is the first letter of your second given name, or the first letter of your middle name, if any.

    Address:
    Provide the address where you currently live, including Street Number and Name, Apartment Number (if applicable), City, State, and Zip Code. Do not provide a post office box address (P.O. Box). Only border commuters from Canada or Mexico may use an international address in this field.

    Date of Birth:
    Provide your date of birth in the mm/dd/yyyy format. For example, January 23, 1950, should be written as 01/23/1950.

    U.S. Social Security Number:
    Provide your 9-digit Social Security number. Providing your Social Security number is voluntary. However, if your employer participates in E-Verify, you must provide your Social Security number

    E-mail Address and Telephone Number (Optional):
    You may provide your e-mail address and telephone number. Department of Homeland Security

    The truth is you want employers to do what our lame government fails to do. And if you think for a second a home or small business is not going to hire a nanny, housekeeper, house sitter, landscaper, cook, motel worker, construction worker etc etc etc you are naive at best. You think government is going to raid every home in the US to see if they have an illegal working when Obama is letting them walk across and they you have sanctuary cities and sanctuary churches and homes. Hell they stand on a corner in every city waiting to be picked up for day labor.

    If you think an I-9 is going to keep killers, thieves, terrorist, rapist, and those that just cross our border looking for an Obama agent to give them amnesty, naive again.

    So in closing your I-9 form is useless and an employer has to PROVE nothing. Hell illegals get drivers licenses these days, where is the proof they have to show they are legal?
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    I guess this is meant to be less of a real discussion than it is a liberal circle jerk but there's only so much any employer can really do to ensure their employees are here legally.
    There is only so much an employer can do to ensure their employees are legal. There is NOTHING they can do. Period. Hell illegals go to the local DMV and get driver's licenses for christ sake, and their are salutary cities etc harboring illegals, then you have government waiting for them to come across the Rio Grand so we can feed, house, cloth and provide the best of medical care. An I-9 is useless and worse yet a joke.
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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?
    Only if America wants to get serious about getting rid of illegals.

    It's not rocket-surgery.

    You want to get rid of mice? Stop leaving food around for them to eat.

    Same principle.

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    Re: Should employing illegal immigrants result in a jail sentence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Only if America wants to get serious about getting rid of illegals.

    It's not rocket-surgery.

    You want to get rid of mice? Stop leaving food around for them to eat.

    Same principle.
    And how do you propose employers do that?

    How many million employers are small business or homeowners that employ a nanny, motel workers, cooks, dish washers, gardeners, housekeepers, house framers, block layers, any home construction, etc etc etc.

    Further how many illegals are self employed as gardeners, tree primers, contractors, hell they are in most every service industry?

    How many illegals just come across the border to be fed, housed, clothed, and get the best medical care?

    Then you go all those illegals that don't come for a job, they would be killers, rapist, drug runners, druggies, thieves, etc etc.

    Then you have sanctuary cities, sanctuary churches and homes and their own that harbor illegals.

    How many illegals work for Cash? Who stand at a street corner in every city waiting to be picked up as day labor.

    Hell illegals get drivers license's for christ sake.
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