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Prostitution

Should prostitution be legalized?

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maquiscat said:
Maybe stop street food vendors as well?
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They need to be inspected on a regular basis too to make sure they do not break the health and safety codes.
 
Peter King said:
They need to be inspected on a regular basis too to make sure they do not break the health and safety codes.
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And the prostitutes would be different...how?
 
Henrin said:
Why regulate it? Because people might harm themselves by getting a disease? Is that not a risk of what they are doing?
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Yep and a good number in our society take that risk all the time. It isn't uncommon for someone in their 20's these days to have already had sex with a couple dozen people. I don't see where legalizing prostitution is going to make a difference other than with the amount of tax dollars spent on processing prostitutes through the system. In fact as easy as it is to get it free these days without personal responsibility for pregnancies, health care issues like sexually transmitted diseases with a nanny government who pays cradle to grave, a brothel would probably go out of business in a matter of months. I would think the cost of having sex would become much higher if regulated. That's what regulations do to all businesses. (hidden taxes) And for health reasons, the customer would have to give his name and address/identification, just in case one of the prostitutes came down with a disease so they could inform his/her customers to seek medical help and stop the spread of it. I don't see too many married men wanting their name on some brothel's list. Do you?
 
Henrin said:
But this involves their own decision to get money for sex. Why not regulate people having sex not for payment if you don't want people to get sick? Those people are making the same decision, are they not? Hell, in most states people in porn don't have to wear condoms, and I don't hear many people screaming for regulations. Hell when California(I think) did it a while back people complained.
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Why bother to regulate aircraft maintenance? It was your choice to get on the plane.
 
The current policy works well for me:

Keep prostitution illegal, and then allow local municipalities to determine how vigorously the law is enforced. Enforcement can range from very token to fairly stringent- depending on local attitudes.

In the end, I dont want my state becoming a sex based tourism destination ala Thailand for a variety of reasons.
 
maquiscat said:
And the prostitutes would be different...how?
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There are health and safety rules and regulations for all companies, why would prostitutes and brothels be any different?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Yea, and hookers are known for adhering to laws and zones.
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What, you think that food and beverage businesses (as an example) could give **** about how clean their place is or how much rat poop and mouse hair gets into food, and passing off grade D hamburger for grade A, and not watering down the booze if there werent oversight organizations?
 
Lursa said:
What, you think that food and beverage businesses (as an example) could give **** about how clean their place is or how much rat poop and mouse hair gets into food, and passing off grade D hamburger for grade A, and not watering down the booze if there werent oversight organizations?
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Sorry, I dont need to see Needle Norma on our corner. I like to have some standards around the 'hood.
 
Cryptic said:
The current policy works well for me:

Keep prostitution illegal, and then allow local municipalities to determine how vigorously the law is enforced. Enforcement can range from very token to fairly stringent- depending on local attitudes.

In the end, I dont want my state becoming a sex based tourism destination ala Thailand for a variety of reasons.
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Still a waste of tax payer $$ and very hypocritical IMO as well.

Either it's wrong or it's not.

SOmeone please explain why it's wrong?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Sorry, I dont need to see Needle Norma on our corner. I like to have some standards around the 'hood.
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Too tempting?

Anyone else's presence you prefer not to see on the street by you? Ugly people? Obese? Hippies? We could try drug screenings for people that walk down your block to make sure none are druggies....
 
I'm always amused by the fact that the "pro-choice" pro- "women's rights" faction is ALWAYS the faction that thinks that the state should legalize and regulate prostitution.

We all know what a high standard of living prostitutes enjoy, after all. No exploitation, abuse, murder, or other demeaning activities going on in that profession, no sirree! More women should be prostitutes!

Honestly, how depraved can you be...
 
Bicycle said:
I'm always amused by the fact that the "pro-choice" pro- "women's rights" faction is ALWAYS the faction that thinks that the state should legalize and regulate prostitution.

We all know what a high standard of living prostitutes enjoy, after all. No exploitation, abuse, murder, or other demeaning activities going on in that profession, no sirree! More women should be prostitutes!

Honestly, how depraved can you be...
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And yet countries that do fully legalize prostitution, such as netherlands, are notoriously low in crime including rape. The Netherlands doesn't even make the top ten.

Which country has the highest reported incidents of rape? [DATA] | GlobalPost
 
Bicycle said:
I'm always amused by the fact that the "pro-choice" pro- "women's rights" faction is ALWAYS the faction that thinks that the state should legalize and regulate prostitution.

We all know what a high standard of living prostitutes enjoy, after all. No exploitation, abuse, murder, or other demeaning activities going on in that profession, no sirree! More women should be prostitutes!

Honestly, how depraved can you be...
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Don't be so simplistic. The conditions would be better if it weren't left to the black market.
 
Bicycle said:
You think legalized prostitution reduces crime?

Yeah, and abortion makes people nicer to kids.
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For this hyperbolic rant of yours to have any essence of truth -

No exploitation, abuse, murder, or other demeaning activities going on in that profession, no sirree! More women should be prostitutes!
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Countries that are doing exactly what disgust you, legalizing prostitution, would have to being showing such a pattern. Instead the exact opposite is apparent. Countries with stricter sexual laws have higher cases of rape than the countries that don't.

That is telling information whether you dishonestly choose to ignore it or not.
 
Zinthaniel said:
For this hyperbolic rant of yours to have any essence of truth -




Countries that are doing exactly what disgust you, legalizing prostitution, would have to being showing such a pattern. Instead the exact opposite is apparent. Countries with stricter sexual laws have higher cases of rape than the countries that don't.

That is telling information whether you dishonestly choose to ignore it or not.
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You think that is a rant?

Lol.

The theory is ridiculous. All that happens when you legalize activity that facilitates HUMAN RIGHTS violations is you make it more difficult for the women (and children) who are victimized to get help.
 
Bicycle said:
You think that is a rant?

Lol.

The theory is ridiculous. All that happens when you legalize activity that facilitates HUMAN RIGHTS violations is you make it more difficult for the women (and children) who are victimized to get help.
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your assertion that it makes it more difficult to claim rape is unfounded. Especially since when it is legalized is is heavily regulated by the government.

And you didn't stop at rape either you threw in murder as well, another crime that our own country is off the charts on and Netherlands is significantly low on.
 
Zinthaniel said:
your assertion that it makes it more difficult to claim rape is unfounded. Especially since when it is legalized is is heavily regulated by the government.

And you didn't stop at rape either you threw in murder as well, another crime that our own country is off the charts on and Netherlands is significantly low on.
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Yes, because they LEGALIZED it. It's legal in the Netherlands to kill your mentally ill 13 y.o, your unwanted newborn, or your granny..with or without their consent and knowledge.

Look at how that frees up the criminal justice system!
 
Peter King said:
There are health and safety rules and regulations for all companies, why would prostitutes and brothels be any different?
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BINGO! Hence my initial comment on:
Peter King said:
Street prostitution should still be banned to protect both the women and the johns.
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Bold mine. If you are working a legitimate business, be it body or food selling, then you go with the same principles. If the women's bodies sold on the street need to be banned to protect the customer, then so does the food sold on the street.

Bicycle said:
I'm always amused by the fact that the "pro-choice" pro- "women's rights" faction is ALWAYS the faction that thinks that the state should legalize and regulate prostitution.

We all know what a high standard of living prostitutes enjoy, after all. No exploitation, abuse, murder, or other demeaning activities going on in that profession, no sirree! More women should be prostitutes!

Honestly, how depraved can you be...
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Courtesans actually do make a lot of money and have a very high lifestyle. What's the difference between a prostitute and a courtesan you ask? About $500 an hour. On a more serious note, much of the problems of the prostitute is due to the fact that her business is mostly underground.

Zinthaniel said:
And yet countries that do fully legalize prostitution, such as netherlands, are notoriously low in crime including rape. The Netherlands doesn't even make the top ten.

Which country has the highest reported incidents of rape? [DATA] | GlobalPost
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Bicycle said:
You think legalized prostitution reduces crime?

Yeah, and abortion makes people nicer to kids.
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Sorry, Zin, I'm going to have to go with correlation/causation fallacy here. you need to show that the legalization of prostitution is the reason for the low crime rate.

Bicycle said:
The theory is ridiculous. All that happens when you legalize activity that facilitates HUMAN RIGHTS violations is you make it more difficult for the women (and children) who are victimized to get help.
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It is only a human rights violation if the prostitute if forced into the work and is not allowed to quit as currently occurs in the black market prostitution. If legalized a boss/pimp could not prevent a prostitute from leaving the business nor could they require that the prostitute work for no pay. Regardless of Zin's fallacious argument, yours is no better because you apply a label that dose not apply to all.
 
Bicycle said:
Yes, because they LEGALIZED it. It's legal in the Netherlands to kill your mentally ill 13 y.o, your unwanted newborn, or your granny..with or without their consent and knowledge.

Look at how that frees up the criminal justice system!
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Support your assertion.
 
Bicycle said:
Yes, because they LEGALIZED it. It's legal in the Netherlands to kill your mentally ill 13 y.o, your unwanted newborn, or your granny..with or without their consent and knowledge.

Look at how that frees up the criminal justice system!
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Lmao, your whole argument relies on fallacies and now outright lies.

Netherlands did legalize patient requested euthanasia only if they suffer from extreme illness be it physical or mental. This is after long consultations with the physicians in the relevant field to discuss alternatives. After a decision is made with one physician the patient must then meet with a second. It is never done without the patient's permission.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_the_Netherlands

None of this has to do with murder and The Netherlands crime across the board is at a lower rate than ours.
 
maquiscat said:
Sorry, Zin, I'm going to have to go with correlation/causation fallacy here. you need to show that the legalization of prostitution is the reason for the low crime rate.
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Never made that claim. The post was a direct refutation to the implications she made that if prostitution would happen we basically open up pandoras box.
 
Lursa said:
Too tempting?

Anyone else's presence you prefer not to see on the street by you? Ugly people? Obese? Hippies? We could try drug screenings for people that walk down your block to make sure none are druggies....
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Hyperbole. As long as you fat ugly people are not breaking the law with your hippie friends, I dont care.
 
Bicycle said:
I'm always amused by the fact that the "pro-choice" pro- "women's rights" faction is ALWAYS the faction that thinks that the state should legalize and regulate prostitution.

We all know what a high standard of living prostitutes enjoy, after all. No exploitation, abuse, murder, or other demeaning activities going on in that profession, no sirree! More women should be prostitutes!

Honestly, how depraved can you be...
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Unlike others, I dont believe in treating women like children, unable to make their own decisions. You pretend to worry about them at the hands of criminal abortionists and pimps. I believe in letting them choose their own destinies. Women are smart and capable and can make their own choices. We all make good and bad choices in life and reap both benefits and consequences.
 
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