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Prostitution

Should prostitution be legalized?


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Prostitution is the world's oldest profession.

So what? Why wouldn't the industry face this issue when they already know it's a problem?

They are higher risk. It's common sense.

For one, it is entirely arbitrary where you put the line, and for another, some people have a lot of sex that aren't prostitutes.

What is stupid is someone that opposes regulation wants the whole population regulated since the high risk individuals are being regulated. What is stupid is that some people can't compromise.

I was pointing out the absurdity of your argument, not supporting a position.
 
BTW: voted "yes" in the poll. I might have gone for the "Decriminalize and heavily regulate it." option except that the "heavily" could be just as bad as just outright banning it.
Could be a simple fix to the whole thing, license it like any other regulated area such as service industry(alcohol), medical, insurance, etc. then any regulations pertaining are perfectly legitimate because it's working under the contract of that license. I wouldn't have a problem with a state health board having the authority to require routine STD testing and having a theft of service charge available to anyone who would skip out. And, at that point pimps could be put out of business because there would be legal recourse to the women abused by Johns.
 
But, this ignores the magical ability of market forces to fix any social ill. I can't believe you don't already know this.

I don't get it. Why can government fix problems that the people can not? Why are those men somehow able to do something no one else can? Why can they put in place testing for HIV, but for some reason those in business can not? Just ignore the fact that business did in fact put in place HIV testing before government regulation for your argument, thanks.
 
Should prostitution be legalized?

It should be legal but heavily regulated to ensure the health of the prostitute and and customer are protected and for the financial protection of the prostitute. Frequent checks for STDs, no unprotected sex by both the prostitute and customer,and frequent frequent health inspections of the place of business regardless if that business is private home, cat house or some other facility where the prostitute works.There should also be wage/pay protections to ensure that the prostitute gets to keep the majority of her pay earned from her services so that she is not taken taken advantage of by a pimp,'employment' agency, brothel, cat house or some other employer.
 
So what? Why wouldn't the industry face this issue when they already know it's a problem?

Then how come health departments still find restaurants that have to be shut down. Say it with me, "The market is reactive."

For one, it is entirely arbitrary where you put the line, and for another, some people have a lot of sex that aren't prostitutes.

I was pointing out the absurdity of your argument, not supporting a position.

You seem to be the only one who doesn't understand. I can't help you.
 
I don't get it. Why can government fix problems that the people can not? Why are those men somehow able to do something no one else can? Why can they put in place testing for HIV, but for some reason those in business can not? Just ignore the fact that business did in fact put in place HIV testing before government regulation for your argument, thanks.

Strip clubs don't have mandatory HIV testing. Do you know what happens in the "Champagne Room"?
 
Then how come health departments still find restaurants that have to be shut down. Say it with me, "The market is reactive."

Because not everyone in the market will do the same thing. Do you enjoy finding the douchebag in the crowd to say all people are douchebags?

You seem to be the only one who doesn't understand. I can't help you.

I understand perfectly. Everyone is at risk, but you decided the amount of risk someone puts themselves in is actually a rational basis to treat people differently, and not a completely arbitrary one that you just made up.
 
Because not everyone in the market will do the same thing. Do you enjoy finding the douchebag in the crowd to say all people are douchebags?

Do you enjoy framing my position dishonestly?

I understand perfectly. Everyone is at risk, but you decided the amount of risk someone puts themselves in is actually a rational basis to treat people differently, and not a completely arbitrary one that you just made up.

Not all risk is equal. Having hundreds of partners is a greater risk than having one or a few.
 
decriminalize and heavily regulate it and tax it like any other business and then up the punishments for those who decide to not conform to the law.

For instance, it can only take place in a brothel (no, not anywhere else, no call girls) under supervision and that has strict hygienic and security standards under the requirements of the law.
The employer must pay for the sex workers' health insurance.
Clients must register under real name and validate in writing that they have no medical conditions or diseases that are transmissible. Lying should warrant quite a few years in prison. I'm thinking of things like HIV here.


So what I mean by up the punishments? I think that these punishments fit the bill.
So illegal prostitution, pimps should get about 20 years. prostitutes under 5 if they cooperate in ratting out the whole thing. Clients, about a year in jail.
 
I don't get it. Why can government fix problems that the people can not? Why are those men somehow able to do something no one else can? Why can they put in place testing for HIV, but for some reason those in business can not?

The answer to your question is "they could, but they won't". You are asking the wrong questions.

The better question is "Why do people act against the broader interests society when they are acting under the influence of market forces?" One of the answers to this question is very simple. Because the logical incentives sometimes engendered by market forces encourage actions which run counter to the interests of society, and many people act to further their own selfish interests over the interests of others. These people are acting in accord with perfect logic and self interest.

Other answers are not as simple, but yield the same result. For example, some people are short sighted, while at the same time they are also selfish. They see short term gain, and can't see that in the long term they are likely be worse off. Forecasting into the longer term is complex and sometimes requires knowledge and training to assess likely outcomes.

In some scenarios, society can act deliberately through government to overcome these deficiencies of market systems.
 
The answer to your question is "they could, but they won't". You are asking the wrong questions.

The better question is "Why do people act against the broader interests society when they are acting under the influence of market forces?" One of the answers to this question is very simple. Because the logical incentives sometimes engendered by market forces encourage actions which run counter to the interests of society, and many people act to further their own selfish interests over the interests of others. These people are acting in accord with perfect logic and self interest.

Other answers are not as simple, but yield the same result. For example, some people are short sighted, while at the same time they are also selfish. They see short term gain, and can't see that in the long term they are likely be worse off. Forecasting into the longer term is complex and sometimes requires knowledge and training to assess likely outcomes.

So the government is somehow different in this regard? Do you think politicians are not selfish? Why do you think all politicians leave office a great deal richer than when they arrived in office? For another, why would market forces lead to people acting against the interests of consumers? Do you think it works to their advantage to have their consumers and workers for that matter getting diseases? That seems like a pretty bad problem for the business to overcome considering that prostitution would be a pretty competitive field.

In some scenarios, society can act deliberately through government to overcome these deficiencies of market systems.

So to avoid taking control of their own lives they go to the government? How does that solve anything?
 
Clients must register under real name and validate in writing that they have no medical conditions or diseases that are transmissible. Lying should warrant quite a few years in prison. I'm thinking of things like HIV here.

No way in hell. I'm too attached to my alias Gustav von Spicyweiner to change my ways this late in the game.
 
Strip clubs don't have mandatory HIV testing. Do you know what happens in the "Champagne Room"?

Pff. Unlikely.

"Champagne room" is basically code for "con guys too drunk or inexperienced to know any better into wasting $300.00 on a really long lap dance."
 
Pfff. Unlikely.

"Champagne room" is basically code for "con guys too drunk or inexperienced to know any better into wasting $300.00 on a really long lap dance."

I forget who it was, but someone from this forum posted a very amusing anecdote about that situation a few weeks back.
 
Do you enjoy framing my position dishonestly?

I didn't. Problems don't just go away because the government or people in the market act. Not everyone will behave in the same way, and not everyone cares enough to bother following rules put out by the government.

Not all risk is equal. Having hundreds of partners is a greater risk than having one or a few.

No **** they are at a higher risk. The point was that the amount of risk that you have decided on is arbitrary.
 
Of course it should be...it is utterly ridiculous that the state can dictate under what terms one consenting adult performs sexual favours for another. Like no one has ever married strictly for money in America?
 
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Was in it in the "cuddle" thread in the Tavern?

That was probably me. :lol:

Oh my God, it was you! That was hilarious, man!

Also, I feel like now would be a good time to remark on how ironic it is that your avatar is one of the most influential pimps in Westeros' upper echelon, and you want prostitution to be a state level decision.
 
Oh my God, it was you! That was hilarious, man!

Also, I feel like now would be a good time to remark on how ironic it is that your avatar is one of the most influential pimps in Westeros' upper echelon, and you want prostitution to be a state level decision.

You're far from the first person to have taken note of it, I can assure you. :lol:
 
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